No way Kakko at least can possess the puck. and obviously his defensive game has really improved. I would say he still looks like a top 5 pick. Laf on the other hand IDK.
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Nils down Jones up.
we’ll be better. How much more I don’t know but I do know well push the puck up ice way better.
we’ll be better. How much more I don’t know but I do know well push the puck up ice way better.
I think the Trouba deal is worse than the Kreider deal honestly. All though Trouba actually has had a couple of really good games so far this season, so maybe he can turn things around. I think to serve the team best, Trouba needs to turn himself into more of a shutdown, physical dman. Let Fox, Lundkvist and maybe eventually Jones worry about offense, and then the contract wouldn't be so bad. Miller to me has been the worst of our Dmen so far, honestly going back to last season. And I wouldn't at all mind if we traded him and Krav for that 2C we need. Rather than trading Jones, who I would love to take Miller's spot ultimately. I think a package of Krav and Miller could get us a very nice, high ceiling young D, someone like Perfetti level possibly, or maybe, or at least I am holding out hope.
And I totally agree. I don't think our Cap issues are that bad. Plus, Panarin's contract is up in 2026 and I do not see him re-signing. And I do think at least one of Trouba or Kreider will be moved when their NMC's are up. Probably Trouba because by then, we will hopefully have Lundkvist and Schneider ready to step up. Schneider to me, outside of Fox, is our most important young D. Just because of the defense and physicality he brings to the table. Even more so than Lundkvist I'd say.
But really, if Drury doesn't use this Kravtsov issue, combined with one of our young D, hopefully Miller, to acquire a young high ceiling 2C, it will just be another sign of poor asset management on his part. At least, I think so far his GM stint has been mediocre at best. With just the Goodrow and Reaves acquisitions a net positive. I like Blais too, just not at the expense of Buch, who we could really use now without Krav.
But anyway, I think our "cap issues" are wildly blown out of proportion. I had really hoped we would go after Matthews in 2 years when his contract is up, but with extending Zibby, that seems unlikely now.
But I think everyone can agree, we need a high end young center, behind Zibby. At least, that should be a priority.
Thats what worries me about him. And it's why I think he's ultimately best suited as a 3rd liner. And the only issue I have with his contract really is 6.5 is a lot to pay for a 3rd liner. Ideally though, that's what Kreider will be for us in the future. It just suits his inconsistant nature best. At least IMO.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
That's the least they can do. Jones should have been up from day 1.
Not sure I want to ruin another prospect this quickly into the season. It's tempting to bring guys up thinking it'll be a solution but we also have to think about Jone's development. If this team can somewhat pull itself together offensively and Nils is still struggling then I'd switch it up. Right now we'd be bringing him up to a team that looks inept at playing basic fundamental hockey and hoping he'll change everything. Not fair to him. I'd only bring him up now if he was killing it in the AHL but statswise that doesn't seem to be the case. Can't say I've seen any of the games. This team is very lucky to have the record they do and hopefully they can put it together soon.
should maybe have been Miller down Jones up. Put Both Lundkvist and Miller look like they could use time in the A.
And I don't know, something about Jones' play and attitude makes me think he's ready or at least up for the challenge.
As far as the way the team is playing as a whole, it doesn't look good but it's early. Chytil looks worse somehow than he did last year. I really had hopes he would knock it out of he park with Strome out, but not happening. And Laf still just..... looks behind the game at times.
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If you are picking a forward top 5, you want them to provide offense, not just a "2 way game". And right now, I would say neither Laf or Kakko have looked like the players that most thought they'd be let alone 1st and 2nd overall. Which is concerning. All though I still have hope that Laf just needs to gain more experience. Part of the issue with him is he was a big kid and that gave him an advantage at lower levels. Now when his size can't be that big of a boost, he's having trouble. What I really hope is that, being a power forward kind of player, it's just taking him longer.
Kakko on the other-hand has shown way less offensively but way more 2 way. And maybe it's kind of a similar situation to Puljujarvi. Kakko, also being a big kid and a power forward. But realistically, power forwards sometimes take an extra 1-3 years to find themselves and get used to their growing body, so crossing my fingers that's all this is with both of them.
If it turns out that these two aren't the players we thought they were, that's going to hurt this franchise a lot. And the fanbase obviously
It would be nice if, in 5 years from now, we aren't hearing things like "Rangers should have drafted Byfield or Stutzle." or "Rangers should have drafted Dach or Zegras instead of Kakko."
I might be one of the few that did want to draft Byfield over Laf, as we had just drafted Kakko, Kravtsov before him and we had Panarin, Buch and Kreider. At the time it seemed to me if Byfield and Laf were even close as far as potential, we should take the center. And things scouts suggesting Laf isn't very fast "but can slow the game down to his speed" worried me a great deal. And as much as everyone loved him, when you watched highlight reels, I think you could see that his size over other kids his age gave him a real advantage. There was skill there too, but I honestly didn't find it extraordinarily "special" and Byfield really had everything from a raw tools standpoint, including size and more speed than Laf. But anyway, I am just pontificating.
I do find it humorous that people were going down the conspiracy rabbit hole when we got the 2nd and then 1st pick. And they saw Kakko and Laf as such "sure things" it was like the Rangers were being handed a Cup somewhere down the line. Meanwhile, they could both turn out to be two of the more overrated prospects to come out in some time. And I am sure Wright and then Bedard, who I think both really are as close to generation prospects as you can get without being Crosby or McDavid, will come out crushing in their rookie years. Just watching them play, I see a huge difference between Wright and Bedard, vs Kakko and Laf at the same age, even though they were largely hyped and considered in similar tiers.
Frankly, if we had Dach and Byfield right now, or Dach and Stutzle, there would be way more optimism with a clearer picture of our future instead of this cloud of uncertainty and concern I think that is hovering around the fanbase at this point. I just hope both kids snap out of this uncertainty sometime soon and prove they were the correct choices, or this rebuild is going to possibly need to repeat itself in a few years. Lol, I am almost ready to suggest tanking to get Wright or trying to trade Laf for the 2021 number 1 pick. Obviously, not going to happen. Well, I guess there is still a slight chance we win the lotto again this season, very tiny but I doubt we are a bottom 11 or even bottom 12 team. Unfortunately, because this is still a developmental year and if we did happen to make the playoffs, which I think is a long shot, I have serious doubts we would make it beyond the 1st round. So we are kind of in limbo instead.
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By that logic, shouldn't they consider Nils' development as well? He's looked completely over matched to the point where he can't do simple things even when he is completely undeterred. I knew there would be a pretty rough adjustment period for him (the Calder talk was goofy, the comps to Fox were even worse.) What I didn't expect was for him to be so terrible at some of the most basic fundamentals required to play the position. He can't make a clean pass out of his own end even when he has time and space. Thats a problem and I can't remember the last time there was a player who was so woefully inept at it and ended up being even adequate with further development, but thats an entirely different convo.
Literally the only positive in his game is his work rate - Thats been great.
On Jones, style of game is exactly what would help this team play better. It's not a huge sample size, but he looked a billion times better during his cup of coffee than Nils has so far, as well as during the pre season.
pld459666
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Thank God the season isn't over tomorrow, next week or next month.
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SA16
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They are getting paid that money because they are former players. Not because they have any great qualifications to do so.
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CK-Zib-KK
Panarin - Strome - Goodrow
Laf - Chytil - Blais
Hunt - Rooney - Reaves
Fox- Nemeth
Trouba - Miller
Nils - Lindgren
Something has to give with that Nils-Nemeth pair. Either break them up or send Nils down for Jones.
Hunt also deserves to be higher than the 4th line. He's been one of our best forwards so far.
Panarin - Strome - Goodrow
Laf - Chytil - Blais
Hunt - Rooney - Reaves
Fox- Nemeth
Trouba - Miller
Nils - Lindgren
Something has to give with that Nils-Nemeth pair. Either break them up or send Nils down for Jones.
Hunt also deserves to be higher than the 4th line. He's been one of our best forwards so far.
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SA16
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So now that we've "seen" Nils play some games for the Rangers are we allowed to talk about him in deals? Considering we have a million defensive prospects and more limited forward prospects?
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Carp just said McKegg is better than Gauthier.
Now I don't think Goat has been amazing since he's been here but what a random take.
Now I don't think Goat has been amazing since he's been here but what a random take.
Coach doesnt seem to think so. Listen to his presser last night after the game. Gauthier has played well.
Carp is an old delusional man.
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Goat played the best game of his career last game. He should stay in the lineup.
Lundqvist continues to struggle. Send him to the minors for f***s sake. Jones was better in preseason to begin with. And honestly, Tinordi and Hajek were too. Even if you don't call up Jones, stop playing Lundqvist and send him down.
Chytil is...not doing himself any favors.
On the other hand, too bad Reaves is hurt cause Hunt-Rooney-Reaves is a great 4th line.
Goodrow on the right of Panarin and Strome is and always has been what the line should be. Goodrow is probably an even better Fast.
Good thing we didn't try to acquire that washed up overpaid Tarasenko. We don't need his gritty effort and goalscoring.
Lundqvist continues to struggle. Send him to the minors for f***s sake. Jones was better in preseason to begin with. And honestly, Tinordi and Hajek were too. Even if you don't call up Jones, stop playing Lundqvist and send him down.
Chytil is...not doing himself any favors.
On the other hand, too bad Reaves is hurt cause Hunt-Rooney-Reaves is a great 4th line.
Goodrow on the right of Panarin and Strome is and always has been what the line should be. Goodrow is probably an even better Fast.
Good thing we didn't try to acquire that washed up overpaid Tarasenko. We don't need his gritty effort and goalscoring.
Yeah, we should be able to. I think he'll get much, much better, but he could also be Tim Erixon. Who knows. I'd like to hold off and give Jones another look, and maybe see what we have in Robertson (who looks better each game in Hartford) before we really consider moving him, but it has to be on the table.
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Was at the HFD/WBS game this past week, honestly not one player including the defensemen impressed me. Frankly Bitetto played better then Jones, Schneider, Robertson and Reunanan. Jones’ struggle could’ve been who he was playing with and trying to carry the entire load…but he didn’t stand out at all.
Also side note, there isn’t one forward down there that after watching them play live, I could see ever playing top 6. Maybe, Lauri but he looked pretty brutal as well…honestly starting to think his ceiling is Brandon Pirri, which isn’t horrible but then what’s his floor….
Also side note, there isn’t one forward down there that after watching them play live, I could see ever playing top 6. Maybe, Lauri but he looked pretty brutal as well…honestly starting to think his ceiling is Brandon Pirri, which isn’t horrible but then what’s his floor….
pld459666
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He was never part of my untouchable list, but hes not the first guy I look to move either.
Hes not showed well of himself early, so ideally id like to get him 10-15 games in the AHL and back up for a cup of coffee between Thanksgiving and Christmas before I really start to consider packaging him.
This will also allow the NYR to see where we are as well as the rest of the league.
I do not believe that who we have shown to be today is who we are going to be as a team in 2 months time.
HonestGabe
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I do think Nils should be the odd man out moving forward.
Jones - Schneider is a natural pairing and its only a matter of time before both force the org's hand.
Jones - Schneider is a natural pairing and its only a matter of time before both force the org's hand.
Hopefully practice helps. Kakko with Mika or Chytil please. Anything but Kakko with Strome and Panarin. Maybe reunite the kids line but actually play them? I still think the best thing to do is to rip the bandaid off and just separate Strome and Panarin. If you separate them you can give Kakko or Laf a pass first player in Strome and maybe he plays more responsible without Panarin on the line. On Jones, the only thing I hate about bringing him up now is that the team is sucking. I'd much rather bring a rookie up when the team is playing better and he actually has a chance to succeed. I don't want to possibly tank the confidences of two young players to try and fix a team issue. I think we're asking too much of him by calling him up at this moment. I'd much rather send Lundkvist down and play Hajek or Tinordi 8 mins a game until GG gets his players playing a team game.
Lets see Goodrow match Fast's offensive output. Also, he isn't anywhere near as…fast as Fast.
Edit: Fast is on a much better contract too.
Don't forget our amazing depth in scoring wings, which makes Goodrow and Blais in the top-six possible.
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