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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXVII – Fortnight, Not Fortnite
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If we trade with fringe teams, I'd take a flier on an unprotected 2020 1st.
I think this is a great sign of Gort's work. Two 7th rounders are only two 7th rounders, but more importantly its also two GMs, Pollie and Benning, having the relationship with Gorton to get something done when a need arise.
Gort's obviously ready to get something done if someone want to dance.
We aren't getting any UDFAs with the logjam we have. Gort's need to clean house, finish the down-tearing and start the rebuilding!
Pretty interesting graph, a lot players on it that you really feel are genuinely good players, not just producing well in a specific environment.
I love Kreider and his skill set but he does become a bit invisible during decent stretches of games. No PK and he does not carry the puck through the neutral zone or into the offensive zones. His talents in front of the net are elite and his forecheck is very good and his passing down low is getting better and his hands have soften up a bit. He probably will age well BUT he should be made available at the draft for a combo of players and picks .
I agree, but with Kreider you have a big past/present/future consideration to make.
We saw Blake Wheeler yesterday. He is 5 years older than Kreider, playing the best hockey of his career. Sure he can go downhill fast, but he got what 2-3 years left. Maurice said in an interview that Wheeler was their player with the best shape. They clock his pulse real time during games, when Wheeler starts to get tired he knows that he must rest that line because that must mean that everyone else is half dead. Mats Zuccarello is 31 y/o, playing by far the best hockey of his career. States to never have been in better shape, that seems to be true. 3-4 years left?
Kyle Okposo is 30 y/o. He signed a 7 year deal at 27 at 6m per. Four years left. 22 pts in 56 games. Trending downwards every year. Bobby Ryan is 31 y/o, three years left at 7.2m per. Haven't scored more than 33 pts in his last 3 years.
Does Kreider have the best years in front of him? Does he have 7-8 more peak years? Is he already on his way down and will be a complete bum in 2-3 years? Its not that easy to tell.
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This is a risk I do not want NYR to take. The timetable for us contending again might be pushed back if we are unlucky in draft lottery, injuries or prospect that busts. We might be ready to go for it in 2 years, or it could be 5. We will most likely not get a player as good as Kreider from the assets we will get for him in a trade, but we will get assets that we will make us have more time over our timetable. I feel this rebuilt is to important to gamble of Kreider is keeping it up for years when he is passing 30.
Of course it will all depend on the contract he wants, but if he demands 7/8 years and 7+ millions I'll want them to trade him.
The Rangers taking on Callahan's contract with no money going back to TB is the best deal for both teams.
TB sends the Rangers their 1st in June dropping the conditional terms. TB sends the Rangers a 2nd in 2020 to complete the McDonagh deal. Maybe Gorton squeezes a little more from TB. The Lightning get back future considerations which are nothing.
The Rangers have the space to absorb Callahan's $5.8M cap hit in combination with the other Rangers trades. TB gets the space to add another player or two at the deadline. They are right up the cap right now. They free up money to go towards re-signing Point.
The Rangers have 44 SPC's so they have the room. Take back contracts in a trade instead of retaining money. They have two retention slots left. Do a combination of both things.
Use those freed up contracts to sign college free agents who are put on the active roster to start their contracts early and they become free agents earlier is the other option.
It's only one season for Callahan. It goes fast. Winter. Spring. Summer. Fall. Winter.
TB sends the Rangers their 1st in June dropping the conditional terms. TB sends the Rangers a 2nd in 2020 to complete the McDonagh deal. Maybe Gorton squeezes a little more from TB. The Lightning get back future considerations which are nothing.
The Rangers have the space to absorb Callahan's $5.8M cap hit in combination with the other Rangers trades. TB gets the space to add another player or two at the deadline. They are right up the cap right now. They free up money to go towards re-signing Point.
The Rangers have 44 SPC's so they have the room. Take back contracts in a trade instead of retaining money. They have two retention slots left. Do a combination of both things.
Use those freed up contracts to sign college free agents who are put on the active roster to start their contracts early and they become free agents earlier is the other option.
It's only one season for Callahan. It goes fast. Winter. Spring. Summer. Fall. Winter.
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I don't see Gorton taking on a Callahan type contract absorption. I'd be really surprised if that's the route he took.
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Callahan is a good contract to take for future assets. It's short, and he should give us another small asset at next years deadline.
If it looks during summer that we will have lot of capspace next season we should explore the option to overpay some decent UFA's on 1 year contracts. I have no problem paying a 2 mill player 3 mill for 1 season if it gives us a another 2/3 round pick next year. Our farm isnt so good yet that any players (forward atleast) should block any prospect needing time on the big club.
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Based and Rangerspilled.
Had to Google to confirm, but this is accurate.
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He is one of 2 players that are the exact opposite of what you are posting. Top line is THE only line that has been consistently effective and #20 is a massive factor into the equation.
W/out him, this team is as flatter then a pancake.
What team is going to trade a player and pick that can slide into that spot?
Some here are advocating a trade of Kreider but I completely fail to see how that is going to help just to get a lower pick? If we’re talking a 1st and Makar that’s significant. That’s likely what it would take for them to move him. Teams likely aren’t going to part with that much. So if there is one player that probably shouldn’t be included in all the rumors is Kreider.
Ghost of jas
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I’m greedy. If the Rangers are helping TB with their cap situation, I want their 1st in 2020 in addition to the conditions dropped on this year’s 1st. They can keep their prospects.
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Okposo or Ryan were never in the same shape that Kreider is in. Neither player ever skated like Kreider either. They aren’t the same type of athlete. Kreider is still young though. I don’t see a sharp decline at 30 for him.
Zucc? That’s another story. He’s arguably playing best hockey if his career right now. I’ll give him that. The motor stopped going earlier in the season. He jump started back up. But he’s older. How long till it goes again?
I am just a amateur in evaluating talent but that line of ZZK is driven mostly by the 2 Z's. Kreids is special of course and admittedly my expectations for him are more than he produces. Yes it has to be Makar type player..Cody Glass(unrealistic) etc.. How about Vegas ..rights to Gusev 1st plus? I want potential game changers like we saw last night from Scheifle?
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Edmonton and Dallas are others who will probably be looking to off-load cap.
Assuming the Rangers trade Zuccarello, Hayes and McQuaid (I also think they may deal one of Namestnikov, Vesey, Fast) they will have some room up front for a couple of guys as 'cap dumps' but who can still be useful.
Callahan is one.
Kassian is another.
Alex Petrovic?
Would the Rangers take Nichuskin if Dallas gave them something? He's an interesting case. He had good numbers in the KHL last year. He comes back to the NHL and has 7 points in 40 games. If he has a rough finish to the year, would he look to terminate his contract and go back to the KHL? If so, the team gets out of needing to pay him. If he improves, perhaps a new home in NY would be a nice change of scenery.
How about Martin Hanzal? 1 year left. Had major back surgery. That would create some flexibility for Jim Nill in Dallas to make some moves.
Nathan Horton's contract from Toronto?
Assuming the Rangers trade Zuccarello, Hayes and McQuaid (I also think they may deal one of Namestnikov, Vesey, Fast) they will have some room up front for a couple of guys as 'cap dumps' but who can still be useful.
Callahan is one.
Kassian is another.
Alex Petrovic?
Would the Rangers take Nichuskin if Dallas gave them something? He's an interesting case. He had good numbers in the KHL last year. He comes back to the NHL and has 7 points in 40 games. If he has a rough finish to the year, would he look to terminate his contract and go back to the KHL? If so, the team gets out of needing to pay him. If he improves, perhaps a new home in NY would be a nice change of scenery.
How about Martin Hanzal? 1 year left. Had major back surgery. That would create some flexibility for Jim Nill in Dallas to make some moves.
Nathan Horton's contract from Toronto?
Why? Its extremely low risk, particularly to secure the first from Tampa and get another pick.
Callahan is a shell of his former self, but the Rangers aren't going to compete anytime soon, have the cap space to do it, hopefully aren't going to do something silly on the free agent market, and Callahan can be a good mentor-type player for a season.
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If that is the case where was the Zibanejad lines production when Kreider was playing with Hayes?
There is def players that I think would make sense in a deal. Someone posted Nylander. I like the idea of Makar and a 1st.
Ghost of jas
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No, it’s not. Kreider drives offense on whatever line he’s on. Kreider is the best driver of offense on this team, and one of the best in the league. The advanced stats have been posted consistently of how good Kreider is at driving offense.
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Isn't Kreiders dependency on being a physical freak to be as he is now more of a negative if we are contemplating signing him on a long contract taking him into his middle 30's?
Silky mitts and high hockey-IQ usually age better then fast skating and physical play. If Kreider losses a step and starting to get more brittle when he play the power game we are stuck with a 7 million net presence player.
Kreider is absolutly worth a 7 year 7 million contract if he can perform as he do now, but for me the risk is to high when we still are some years from going for the cup. I'm sure Kreider will be very good when he is 30, but he will sign a long term contract when he is 29. Will he still be as good when he is 33 or 35?
That is a risk I personally would not take at this time. I would rather have a bluechip prospect and a 1. round pick.
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