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Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXVI

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NYR Viper said:
I'm not arguing the team should pay Strome but people saying he is a 3C are bonkers.
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I do think Strome has proven some value at this point. In a world with no cap, I'd pay him whatever and then if I can upgrade down the line so be it.

But that's not the world we live in.

We live in a world where we cannot just make decisions for this season, and where the best idea is making decisions for a Kakko/Lafreniere/Fox dominated team for the next decade. No, the smart money is not making moves around Panarin, but Kakko and Laf and Fox. They are the ones who are going to be here excelling for 15 years.

If we can get to a place where we win with Panarin, also fine, but that should be objective B.

Strome faces the unfortunate reality that he's a middle-6 offensive center with defensive deficiencies. He's a good 2C, a great 3C, in terms of offense, but he's also gonna get squeezed off the power play soon and those numbers will drop, he's way down the pecking order of importance to the long term health of the team (behind Panarin, Zibanejad, Kakko, Laf, Chytil, AND Kravtsov, at the very least), and that the Rangers could really use a younger, more complete center in their middle 6 to supplant him.

Those are all truths the Rangers have to deal with. And it's why he's probably not gonna be re-signed.

What's worth more? One playoff series with Strome, or the chance to get a future top 6 center?

It's obviously the latter.
 
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NYR Viper said:
And we may see that at some point in the near future. But let's not act like Chytil's development will be utterly devastated by him playing with, gasp, Blais and Goodrow. Those guys aren't bad players...
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I'm looking forward to seeing that too, but there are opportunities to miss in a young player's development. Keep treating a kid like a 3C, and you might get a ceiling of 3C with that kid.
 
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I'm more annoyed with Kreider being where he is in the line up than I am with Strome being attached to Panarin.

I don't think you can get away with playing Strome anywhere else and at least he doesn't drag Panarin down.

Kreider did nothing during camp to quell my worries about him.
 
Avery16 said:
Not every move. But this one. You don't turn down a 1st for a player you know you arent going to re-sign, in a season you know you won't compete for Cup.
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Right, it's like, some people have it in their head that there is this hard and fast rule: THE REBUILD IS OVER, NO MORE TRADING FOR FUTURES EVER.

Well, that's a shitty approach even to managing a contender. It's how you age quickly and fall apart.

Strome is redundant to us just like Buchnevich was. The problem with trading Buch wasn't that we traded him, it's that he should have been traded for a higher-value future that would have had a home in the top-6 eventually. Well, we didn't do that, maybe it wasn't available, but more likely cause they wanted bottom 6 grit.

Well, with Strome, he should also be moved, and once Barron and Chytil have proven they belong in the middle 6 this year, what Strome should be moved for is FUTURES so we can land a window-extending top-6 center at some point.
 
Avery16 said:
If Strome's a legit 2C, his play should elevate whatever wings he's with. Let's see what he can do with some combination of Blais/Goodrow/Barron/Kravstov over time. Let's see what Chytil looks like with Panarin and Kakko.
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Right now, Strome is a flat out better player than Chytil, thats why hes in the top 6 and on PP1. Chytil/Blais/Goodrow/Kravtsov 3rd line should feast on softer matchups at ES, i fail to see how this is a bad thing
 
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McRanger92 said:
Right now, Strome is a flat out better player than Chytil, thats why hes in the top 6 and on PP1. Chytil/Blais/Goodrow/Kravtsov 3rd line should feast on softer matchups at ES, i fail to see how this is a bad thing
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Most people playing with Panarin are better than someone else. Strome isn’t anything special he just plays with one of the best players in the league.
 
TominNC said:
What's the "right trade" for Strome? A middling draft pick? He's a valuable player in our set-up alongside Panarin. He will help THIS year's team get to the playoffs and get some of that experience.
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If you can't get better than a second, I would say that is an argument for keeping him. Even self-renting. A third round pick is just basically a shot in the dark. Ok, I'll take the experience of hopefully winning a playoff round over that.

But as we know Kreider could have fetched a first and Jason Robertson, and Kreider is a winger. I bet Strome, if he has his usual pace this year (ie, projected 60+ points), as a center, will fetch a similar package. That's what Pageau brought back, right? Similar? A first, second, and a third.

A first and a top-6 forward prospect would be too good to turn down. "Playoff experience," has value, but it's not absolutely necessary, and, we continue to have time to "get it next year," if we need to.
 
McRanger92 said:
Right now, Strome is a flat out better player than Chytil, thats why hes in the top 6 and on PP1. Chytil/Blais/Goodrow/Kravtsov 3rd line should feast on softer matchups at ES, i fail to see how this is a bad thing
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Because professional sports teams are run with more than just "right now" as a consideration.
 
TominNC said:
So you've already given up on this season? It's a lost cause. Uphill battle. Etc. What I see are a lot of old injured teams. No reason our team if in prime and up and coming players can't step over some of these carcasses. Once in the playoffs anything can happen. It's not like we can wait and only make the playoffs when we're guaranteed a Cup run.
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If we are the first seed, or second seed, come playoff time, that's a different story.

If we are a 7th seed at the deadline, yeah, no REAL chance that we are gonna win a Cup. Trade him.
 
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I know the PP is a big discussion with the 4 righty shots, but if that means the 2nd PP has Kakko, Chytil, Laf, and Lundkvist on it, I'm totally down with those players building some chemistry together starting this season. I look at having them build that as the makings of the future of the roster where they eventually are PP1 (sans Nils replacing Fox).

That unit they had on the 4 on 3 vs the Islanders, which btw was their team, not some group of AHLers or fringe players, it was their guys and the kids dominated that PP against them. If that is what we are going to get from them this season, we're in for one hell of a ride.
 
Avery16 said:
Because professional sports teams are run with more than just "right now" as a consideration.
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I think its pretty clear this organization is thinking of the "now" more than "later". They arent going to trade Strome for a 2nd & a prospect mid-season to make room for Chytil. If they intended to do that, hed most likely be in Ottawa right now.

And clearly Strome is highly respected by his teammates. He has a history of answering the bell despite not being that type of player (against CAR in the bubble & the post-Wilson shenangians) and he just got an A. What does it tell the locker room if they dump him for futures to move up a guy who hasnt earned it yet (i am a big Chytil fan and think he could be the long term 2C). If you have time, use it.
 
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Fitzy said:
As a 22 year old after one good season.

Teams are going all in on RFA length contracts and giving up a lot of cash in the process- presumably to avoid the issue of aging- they'd rather pay more to sign a 22 year old through 30 than a 28 year old through 36.
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And because those contracts are gonna look like great deals when the cap jumps up.

Rangers need to figure out a way to get in on this with some players they want here long term. Fox, Kakko.
 
mas0764 said:
I do think Strome has proven some value at this point. In a world with no cap, I'd pay him whatever and then if I can upgrade down the line so be it.

But that's not the world we live in.
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100% agree that he won't be back. I even agree that should there be a good value deal on the table that Drury should take it around the deadline or just before. What I don't agree with is people attempting to downplay him as a player. The guy has come here and filled the 2C role out of no where and has gelled with the teams best player. He's a 2C, even if people aren't enamored with him overall, the guy's production is clearly that of a 2C
 
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