Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXVI

[NYR Viper]

I'm not arguing the team should pay Strome but people saying he is a 3C are bonkers.

 

[UnSandvich]

oh boy, here we go again with the "Panarin is a product of Strome" silliness.

 

[McRanger92]

Strome is criminally underrated on these boards. It's pretty humorous actually.

I dont think its Plan A, but if Strome is willing to sign the Nugent-Hopkins contract (8 years/5 mil AAV), i believe Drury would think long and hard about it. But if Chytil pops and scores 40-50 points this year, i think Strome is a goner regardless

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

oh boy, here we go again with the "Panarin is a product of Strome" silliness.

It's a fact that Panarin produces better with Strome than with anyone he's played with before. At the very least, they both benefit from playing together.

But my response was very much tongue-in-cheek. I thought the emoji that's literally named "sarcasm" would drive that home

 

[SA16]

Why is this fair? He came to the Rangers and, by his own admission, found a new gear. Does Panarin help? Of course. Is he the same player that he was in Edmonton where he was shuffled around from wing to center and lacked a true role? Nope. He's pretty solidly a 55 point center which isn't exactly anything to dismiss. On this team he has been scoring at a .75 ppg pace over 189 games, not all of which have been with Panarin. That's a 61 point pace for just over 2 full seasons.

Panarin is a really good player, no doubt, but other teams have good players on wing too. And the same reasoning of why his numbers may be inflated is the same reason he, more than likely, will not be getting $7m+ per year on his next deal.

His numbers without Panarin as a Ranger are bad. 1.43 pts/60. With him it's 2.13. Both samples are over 1100 minutes.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Strome is criminally underrated on these boards. It's pretty humorous actually.

He was bad in Edmonton so thats what sticks in people's minds. Canada is like the Premier League, if you struggle there it doesn't matter what you do elsewhere. Nobody thought Mo Salah was a good player until he started killing it at Liverpool, he was dominating in Italy but because he was mediocre at Chelsea no one believed in him.

 

[SA16]

It's a fact that Panarin produces better with Strome than with anyone he's played with before. At the very least, they both benefit from playing together.

But my response was very much tongue-in-cheek. I thought the emoji that's literally named "sarcasm" would drive that home

It's also a fact that Panarin produces better with David Quinn than any other coach. Maybe they should bring him back.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Strome is 3C on a good team and a 2C on a crappy/ok team

you’re not getting close to winning with him in your top 6. He’s the perfect transition player, which is why it’s good he’ll be gone next year.

Some loser squad like Buffalo or Arizona will give him a bag this summer

 

[Avery16]

You seem to forget that there are 22 other players in the locker room.

If every move is about asset management, you'll never win.

Not every move. But this one. You don't turn down a 1st for a player you know you arent going to re-sign, in a season you know you won't compete for Cup.

 

[rangers1314]

Lots can change between now and the deadline. It's a world away.

Can't we go back to breaking down which team is going to give us a 5th for Hajek?

 

[Avery16]

You think a conditional 7th is worth more than having him for a playoff run?

What GM sells off a vet player during a playoff run? What GM weakens their team during a playoff run?

This team can catch lightning in a bottle.... We have astronomical potential.

I agree Strome shouldnt be moved for a conditional 7th. But its mismanagement to not consider a 2nd for him, if youve decided he isnt getting re-signed and we arent going to the conference finals. You dont run a business on lightning in a bottle or magic beans.

 

[Avery16]

Lots can change between now and the deadline. It's a world away.

Can't we go back to breaking down which team is going to give us a 5th for Hajek?

Probably none.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

He’ll show us by plying we’ll and stepping up for injured players. Most players don’t jump into the league playing in the top 6. The owner has said he wants to contend. So they’ll push for playoffs and maybe a round this year. It’s not like Chytil will be ancient in 2022. They can’t keep letting seasons pass in Breads prime. Time to get in a real playoff round, see how Shesty does, let them get their feet wet. They can’t plan everything around Chytil.

Ok, they can't let seasons pass in Bread's prime - why is he playing with a guy who he won't be playing with after this year? That's besides the fact that the Rangers, again, have not a great shot at winning a round, and it will be an uphill battle to make the playoffs in our division as it is - so it's a safe bet to consider this year a "wasted one" anyway (which, was exactly the argument against signing him during a rebuild, but that's a story for another day). It's not about planning everything about Chytil, it's about knowing where your weaknesses are now and not later when they really should be contending. This is not a contending year for them. This is not this teams year. Knowing that, why put yourself at a disadvantage when you know it should be their time?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

You think a conditional 7th is worth more than having him for a playoff run?

What GM sells off a vet player during a playoff run? What GM weakens their team during a playoff run?

This team can catch lightning in a bottle.... We have astronomical potential.

First, I don't think Strome is the difference between this team making or not making the playoffs. If that's the case, then why does it seem like they have no plans to keep him past this season.
Second, I think a lot of people here seem to think a playoff spot is guaranteed for the Rangers this year and I think that is FAR from the case. We have an extremely tough division. Potential is meaningless unless it actually comes to fruition. Potential is hopes and maybes.

Even so, winning a round in the playoffs even if they did get there likely even more of a longshot. This type of thinking, the promise of a possible playoff "Run" (which, let's be honest, is more than just winning a round) is what lands teams squarely in the dreaded middle, which was exactly the point of the rebuild in the first place.

The Rangers aren't winning anything this season and Strome will be gone next year - if that's the case (and that is a likely scenario as much as you don't want to believe it), what good is he adding to the future of a team where he won't be playing?

 

[Vitto79]

Fans need to start getting used to the concept that Strome very well could be a self-rental this season.

if they are in the playoff race he for sure is

pretty much have to let him walk and pray Chytil gets better . Then Barron will need step in

it’s the cap world

also Georgiev is a goner

 

[TheBloodyNine]

You think Kravtsov is actually going to pay for Hartford? It’s a possibility but my money is on this being a paper transaction.

The Rangers have 8 D right now. If they were doing paper transactions they would sent down Lundkvist, who also isn't playing wednesday.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I get the sense that Drury and company see Chytil as the teams future #2C but that they didn't want to thrust him in to a position that he may not be 100% ready for to begin this season. On top of that Strome's value may not have been as high as desired and it wasn't worth just giving him away for a mid-round pick plus a middling prospect.

In saying all of that, if Chytil takes a step and his play demands more ice time, come the deadline I would think a deal around a 2nd + good prospect would be on the table for a center like Strome. At that point, that would be my preference, back-filling Chytil with Barron. This also assumes Barron plays very well in Hartford for the first 40-50 games.

All in all, there is a path forward where Strome could be traded, but the stars need to align for it to make sense.

How is Chytil taking that step playing with two guys who aren't expected to score goals on this team?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I bet they resign Strome or at least try to resign him. If Strome knows he will produce here, maybe he will take a little discount. He brings some grit to the top 6, with an edge to his game. Seems like a good team guy. Seems comfortable here.

With what money?

They have 19 mill in open space next year with out any avenues to really clear any significant payroll. Adam Fox is going to eat about half of that.

If Kakko keeps on doing what hes been doing, he's going to eat at least half of what ever is left over after Fox's extension.

There is no space to keep Strome.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

The Rangers arent trading Strome if they are in contention. They have their entire core under team control for the next 5-6 years, they arent trading veterans for picks anymore. And losing Strome to play Chytil in the top6 is robbing Peter to pay Paul. I think its more likely Strome, Chytil & Barron are on the roster post TDL, in addition to another top 6 C like Hertl/Larkin. The Cup window is open and they are going to act accordingly.

I can tell you right here on 10/12/21 the Rangers are not a contender for anything other than a possible wild card spot.

 

[NYR Viper]

How is Chytil taking that step playing with two guys who aren't expected to score goals on this team?

A) this is Game 1 of 82.
B) Goodrow and Blais aren't exactly bereft of talent. There's plenty of ways for Chytil to develop and become a driver of offense on that line.

 

[Avery16]

Why is this fair? He came to the Rangers and, by his own admission, found a new gear. Does Panarin help? Of course. Is he the same player that he was in Edmonton where he was shuffled around from wing to center and lacked a true role? Nope. He's pretty solidly a 55 point center which isn't exactly anything to dismiss. On this team he has been scoring at a .75 ppg pace over 189 games, not all of which have been with Panarin. That's a 61 point pace for just over 2 full seasons.

Panarin is a really good player, no doubt, but other teams have good players on wing too. And the same reasoning of why his numbers may be inflated is the same reason he, more than likely, will not be getting $7m+ per year on his next deal.

If Strome needs a new agent, you’d better throw your hat in the ring.

 

[NYR Viper]

If Strome needs a new agent, you’d better throw your hat in the ring.

I'll take a cool 5%

 

[EdJovanovski]

How is Chytil taking that step playing with two guys who aren't expected to score goals on this team?

Kravtsov will most likely be back playing with him

 

[Larrybiv]

I agree Strome shouldnt be moved for a conditional 7th. But its mismanagement to not consider a 2nd for him, if youve decided he isnt getting re-signed and we arent going to the conference finals. You dont run a business on lightning in a bottle or magic beans.

We dont "NEED" a 2nd for him or otherwise. We "needed that" 4 years ago. Clearly he is essential to this team RIGHT NOW, so you dont prematurely trade him and get pennies, while possibly messing up Panarin.
CHYTIL coming into his own only STRENGTHENS us down the middle, which would behoove us.
If we are out of PO contention (ain't happening) then you trade him for a very "needy" team. Getting a 1st, isnt that forgone, or a 2nd and a GOOD PROSPECT.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

A) this is Game 1 of 82.
B) Goodrow and Blais aren't exactly bereft of talent. There's plenty of ways for Chytil to develop and become a driver of offense on that line.

I think you'd agree, Goodrow and Blais are hardly Panarin and Kakko...Correct?