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Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXVI

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TheBloodyNine said:
I can tell you right here on 10/12/21 the Rangers are not a contender for anything other than a possible wild card spot.
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Why? This team is loaded with potential, along with guys who are already upper echelon players. If someone went into the future and came back and told me they would either miss the playoffs or win the President's Cup, I would believe it. That's how large of a range of potential results they've got IMO. Hardest team in the league to predict right now.
 
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mas0764 said:
Winning the Cup, which is extremely unlikely to happen this year with it without Strome, is more important than anything else.

Not talking about tanking anymore obviously but if the right deal for Strome was present it would be foolish to pass just to try to win a playoff series.
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What's the "right trade" for Strome? A middling draft pick? He's a valuable player in our set-up alongside Panarin. He will help THIS year's team get to the playoffs and get some of that experience.
 
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TheBloodyNine said:
Ok, they can't let seasons pass in Bread's prime - why is he playing with a guy who he won't be playing with after this year? That's besides the fact that the Rangers, again, have not a great shot at winning a round, and it will be an uphill battle to make the playoffs in our division as it is - so it's a safe bet to consider this year a "wasted one" anyway (which, was exactly the argument against signing him during a rebuild, but that's a story for another day). It's not about planning everything about Chytil, it's about knowing where your weaknesses are now and not later when they really should be contending. This is not a contending year for them. This is not this teams year. Knowing that, why put yourself at a disadvantage when you know it should be their time?
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So you've already given up on this season? It's a lost cause. Uphill battle. Etc. What I see are a lot of old injured teams. No reason our team if in prime and up and coming players can't step over some of these carcasses. Once in the playoffs anything can happen. It's not like we can wait and only make the playoffs when we're guaranteed a Cup run.
 
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bbny said:
Why? This team is loaded with potential, along with guys who are already upper echelon players. If someone went into the future and came back and told me they would either miss the playoffs or win the President's Cup, I would believe it. That's how large of a range of potential results they've got IMO. Hardest team in the league to predict right now.
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Potential is just that - potential. They also have the potential to completely miss the playoffs. That uncertainty is why you have to hedge.
 
TominNC said:
So you've already given up on this season? It's a lost cause. Uphill battle. Etc. What I see are a lot of old injured teams. No reason our team if in prime and up and coming players can't step over some of these carcasses. Once in the playoffs anything can happen. It's not like we can wait and only make the playoffs when we're guaranteed a Cup run.
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There’s a difference between “given up” and “being realistic” and I’m the later. Being realistic is what got us to where we are. The “anything can happen” trope is just that. More likely than not the anything DOESN’T happen. Smart business decisions aren’t made on “anything can happen”
 
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TheBloodyNine said:
I can tell you right here on 10/12/21 the Rangers are not a contender for anything other than a possible wild card spot.
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Eh I dunno about this.

I don't think there is a cup contender in the division (Maybe Carolina.) I can easily see them taking one of the division spots. We have our warts, but so do the rest of the teams in the division.
 
KirkAlbuquerque said:
He was bad in Edmonton so thats what sticks in people's minds. Canada is like the Premier League, if you struggle there it doesn't matter what you do elsewhere. Nobody thought Mo Salah was a good player until he started killing it at Liverpool, he was dominating in Italy but because he was mediocre at Chelsea no one believed in him.
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Who the f*** is Mo Saleh? Right hand shot?
 
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TheBloodyNine said:
Potential is just that - potential. They also have the potential to completely miss the playoffs. That uncertainty is why you have to hedge.
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I'd rather bet on the team improving and being a solid playoff contender than on falling apart. Trading away talent for futures is a sure way to improve your chances at missing the playoffs.
 
NYR Viper said:
Sure? Are you saying that the teams future 2C needs the bet players on the team to play with him in order to grow and develop?
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If Strome's a legit 2C, his play should elevate whatever wings he's with. Let's see what he can do with some combination of Blais/Goodrow/Barron/Kravstov over time. Let's see what Chytil looks like with Panarin and Kakko.
 
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TheBloodyNine said:
There’s a difference between “given up” and “being realistic” and I’m the later. Being realistic is what got us to where we are. The “anything can happen” trope is just that. More likely than not the anything DOESN’T happen. Smart business decisions aren’t made on “anything can happen”
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I would counter that you're NOT being realistic. Looking at projections the Rangers are solidly in playoff contention. It's a realistic outcome. Trading away a useful player, weakening our depth down the middle for a middling pick only helps to ensure failure this year for your dreaded maybes in the future.
 
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TheBloodyNine said:
First, I don't think Strome is the difference between this team making or not making the playoffs. If that's the case, then why does it seem like they have no plans to keep him past this season.
Second, I think a lot of people here seem to think a playoff spot is guaranteed for the Rangers this year and I think that is FAR from the case. We have an extremely tough division. Potential is meaningless unless it actually comes to fruition. Potential is hopes and maybes.

Even so, winning a round in the playoffs even if they did get there likely even more of a longshot. This type of thinking, the promise of a possible playoff "Run" (which, let's be honest, is more than just winning a round) is what lands teams squarely in the dreaded middle, which was exactly the point of the rebuild in the first place.

The Rangers aren't winning anything this season and Strome will be gone next year - if that's the case (and that is a likely scenario as much as you don't want to believe it), what good is he adding to the future of a team where he won't be playing?
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If there was no cap he would be signed.

If/when we get in the playoffs, we can beat any team. We have one of the most talented rosters in the league and a goalie that can go into shutdown mode. You are vastly underselling the team.
 
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TheBloodyNine said:
I think you’d want the guy who you want being your future 2C playing with actual offensive players, yes.
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And I'm sure he will, it's 1 game. Also you don't just throw him out there with Panarin just because. He should show he is ready.

Let's not act like Chytil has nothing to gain from playing on the 3rd line. Are Blais and Goodrow his ideal linemates? Who knows. They could gel and work well together as Chytil likes to carry the puck, or they may not and he may play better with Kravtsov or whoever.

I am not following the logic that a good young, still developing player must play with the teams best players in order to develop properly.
 
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TominNC said:
I'd rather bet on the team improving and being a solid playoff contender than on falling apart. Trading away talent for futures is a sure way to improve your chances at missing the playoffs.
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Why does the team need Strome to make the playoffs? Does he make Panarin a better player? Or does Panarin raise the level of the players he plays with?
It’s not even about trading him away. Play Chytil in that spot instead of Strome. Would make a hell of a lot more sense. The only person being helped by a Strome playing with Panarin this season is himself and his bank account.
 
TheBloodyNine said:
Why does the team need Strome to make the playoffs? Does he make Panarin a better player? Or does Panarin raise the level of the players he plays with?
It’s not even about trading him away. Play Chytil in that spot instead of Strome. Would make a hell of a lot more sense. The only person being helped by a Strome playing with Panarin this season is himself and his bank account.
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I guess the professionals think Strome's game works better with Panarin than Chytils right now? It seems to be working, why mess with it?
 
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Avery16 said:
If Strome's a legit 2C, his play should elevate whatever wings he's with. Let's see what he can do with some combination of Blais/Goodrow/Barron/Kravstov over time. Let's see what Chytil looks like with Panarin and Kakko.
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And we may see that at some point in the near future. But let's not act like Chytil's development will be utterly devastated by him playing with, gasp, Blais and Goodrow. Those guys aren't bad players...
 
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GAGLine said:
You seem to forget that there are 22 other players in the locker room.

If every move is about asset management, you'll never win.
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Yeah, but not every move is about asset management.

It's about fostering your best chance to win multiple Cups, not just win a playoff series this year to placate some impatient fans.
 
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