Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXVI

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Dreger has become really bad. Was just watching a TSN hit with him, when asked "You said TEAMS, which teams are involved" he goes "quote unquote a FEW teams" then mentions us, the Kings (who have no need for a center and no cap space to sign Eichel) and the Ducks (whose GM just publicly said they were rebuilding) and then says "I've been told no from the Rangers and Kings and Ducks have downplayed their interest."

Not that we should do it, but I'm failing to see any team left here that could even pull this off besides us.

I agree with this and I'll go one step further and say that I don't even know if the NYR are really that interested at this point. The Sabres have screwed the pooch on this one. I think they need to seriously downgrade their expected return and potentially even retain salary at this point. Leverage doesnt exist anymore. Every day that passes their franchise looks worse and worse. Reports of other teams being ok with ADR just makes it even worse for them.

 

[duhmetreE]

I'm just saying I would never expect for players to take discounts. I think it's a terrible business decision. At the end of the day, the money you bring home is more important than a championship. If Zibby is offered 11M, you shake his hand and say "good luck on your next endeavor". Fox might actually be worth 12M.

But taking a discount to play in New York where the city, state and federal government is going to take a combined 55-60% of your income is utterly moronic from a financial standpoint.

There's ways around it. From what we've gathered, signing bonuses are taxed at your place of residence. Game salary is taxed at the city/state level. ie. Panarin got paid 12M already this season. allegedly, his 'official' place of residence is in Florida. That's taxed at Florida rates.

That's the point as well. If all of our top players care about money and maximizing profits, we will not win. I have nothing against anyone who thinks that way but there's a certain threshold, once crossed, the differences are minimal to non-existent.

edit- you can't demand people to take less money but a little bit off the top to help the team is not un heard of.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

This team would be insane if they added Larkin or Hertl and were able to keep Zibby long term. Changing Zibby for Eichel would be a massive and probably traumatic change to the dynamic in the locker room for these guys. Larkin and Hertl are both great teammates and great people. Thats a benefit on and off the ice that could take this team to the next level. Both fill a 2C role beautifully and bring a complete game.

 

[mas0764]

Yeah If Eichel comes here Mika is a goner. We have to pay Lafreniere and Kakko in the future. Not enough room for everyone even if Strome is gone at seasons end. Unless a big name like Laf or Kakko are heading the other way which would not be good.

You can probably afford both Zibanejad and Eichel if you find a taker for Kreider and/or Trouba.

I keep hearing that those guys are indispensable, but we have a literal army of cheap defensemen, many of whom (Schneider, Miller, Lindgren, Robertson) have size and physicality.

What do you want? Elite centers, or gritty net-front presence third line left wingers? Or solid but overpaid second pair, maybe eventually third pair defenders?

You can't have it all.

Setting aside the injury (ie, if we knew he'd get back to 100%), it's a no brainer that you find a taker for the bloated contracts where you have a ton of cheap talent and instead go get the elite 25 year old center.

 

[mas0764]

This clip is from yesterday. Dreger said he spoke to a Rangers source earlier in the day(yesterday) and the Rangers aren't interested in Eichel. There isn't a big market for Eichel. Teams aren't rushing to make this trade. Dreger feels the deal will be a young player/prospect trying to find his way in the NHL or a player drafted one or two years ago. The team would add young prospects and picks to the deal. What type of draft picks for an injured player? The Sabres aren't receiving a #1 pick without conditions attached to the pick.

Dreger would know because he is close to Brisson. The agent knows which teams are interested.

Buffalo had their chance to make this deal last year at this time. Buffalo has a high asking price. The Sabres have to accept futures deal. They don't really want to assume any money in the trade. They don't want to retain money or take back a contract to make the money work. Eichel still needs surgery and is months away from playing. The cap will be flat for this season and three more seasons.

The Jagr deal from 2001. He had a huge contract. The Penguins didn't get much for him.

Yup, Sabres are off their rockers and I'm gonna laugh at the fans reaction when they were saying batshit insane things like Kakko+ wasn't enough.

They are gonna get the Nash deal or even less and that's it.

 

[mas0764]

i don’t how anybody is accurate with his value. All we know for sure is he has $10 million coming to him per year and we have a low, hard cap.

As far as players going back to the Sabres. Well, the Rangers cannot pay everybody so it wouldn’t surprise me if Kakko was included.

I would much rather forget about Eichel

They aren't trading Kakko for Eichel.

 

[mas0764]

You need your homegrown stars to take some form of a discount. It all adds up.

It's not easy for New York and it's taxes/cost of living.

It's why they need to consider moving Zibanejad, as painful as that would be after watching him pot two goals last night.

He's 29. You can't tie up $10m in this guy till he's 37.

 

[rangers1314]

It's why they need to consider moving Zibanejad, as painful as that would be after watching him pot two goals last night.

He's 29. You can't tie up $10m in this guy till he's 37.

I'm still not clear why Zib would deserve 2.3M more AAV than Couturier

 

[mas0764]

I'm still not clear why Zib would deserve 2.3M more AAV than Couturier

I dunno, it's apparently what he's asking for.

I suppose it's because goals get paid and he's an elite goal scorer right now.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I dunno, it's apparently what he's asking for.

I suppose it's because goals get paid and he's an elite goal scorer right now.

Or maybe his agent is asking for more than they'll ultimately settle for.

 

[rangers1314]

Or maybe his agent is asking for more than they'll ultimately settle for.

Just a reminder that his agent is his brother...which is a major wildcard IMO.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Just a reminder that his agent is his brother...which is a major wildcard IMO.

Either he wants to stay here and takes a deal that makes him and his family wealthy beyond belief. Or he signs elsewhere for a few extra million.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

If the leak is true (and Kypreos has had NYR info in the past hasn't he?) that the NYR are both 1. past medical concerns and 2. willing to let him have the surgery he wants, that is an extremely significant development.

Can't imagine that would be be decided and come out unless the NYR were pretty in on this. Of course, most likely answer is probably that this is BS. But if it is true this definitely seems like a big development. At minimum if the medical conversations have been had between Adams and teams, indicates he may just be sifting through offers / trying to extract maximum value. And the "he wants too much" is just the usual posturing when there is no hard deadline.

 

[cheech70]

If the leak is true (and Kypreos has had NYR info in the past hasn't he?) that the NYR are both 1. past medical concerns and 2. willing to let him have the surgery he wants, that is an extremely significant development.

Can't imagine that would be be decided and come out unless the NYR were pretty in on this. Of course, most likely answer is probably that this is BS. But if it is true this definitely seems like a big development. At minimum if the medical conversations have been had between Adams and teams, indicates he may just be sifting through offers / trying to extract maximum value. And the "he wants too much" is just the usual posturing when there is no hard deadline.

Agree the Medical update is new and is part of the negotiations...Drury is signaling that he will assume the risk in the ADR. My brother-in-law just had this surgery and he couldn't move for a month without severe pain..Eichel is skating etc...doesn't seem to be as bad.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I'm just saying I would never expect for players to take discounts. I think it's a terrible business decision. At the end of the day, the money you bring home is more important than a championship. If Zibby is offered 11M, you shake his hand and say "good luck on your next endeavor". Fox might actually be worth 12M.

But taking a discount to play in New York where the city, state and federal government is going to take a combined 55-60% of your income is utterly moronic from a financial standpoint.

That's a personal decision and not just a business decision. Who says bringing home more money is more important than winning a championship? You? Players have taken discounts before. These guys dream of winning a Stanley Cup since they are little kids and if they have a chance to win with a particular team and make a little less than that's fine. Maybe they are happy coming to work and their families like where they are living and they don't want to move the kids out of school. All that goes into a players decision to where he wants to play. Taking a discount of say 500k or 1 mil per year to stay in a place that you like and can win a SC is not a dumb decision, especially when you will still be financially secure.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

That's a personal decision and not just a business decision. Who says bringing home more money is more important than winning a championship? You? Players have taken discounts before. These guys dream of winning a Stanley Cup since they are little kids and if they have a chance to win with a particular team and make a little less than that's fine. Maybe they are happy coming to work and their families like where they are living and they don't want to move the kids out of school. All that goes into a players decision to where he wants to play. Taking a discount of say 500k or 1 mil per year to stay in a place that you like and can win a SC is not a dumb decision, especially when you will still be financially secure.

Beyond financially secure. Their kid's, kid's, kid's will never have to work a day in their lives.

 

[Rempe73]

I see the Eichel Situation may be resolved soon. If the Rangers acquire Eichel and thus can’t extend Mika, but keep Mika around, it’s gonna be ugly. Eichel could be great for us but I would just stay away. Things look fine now, no need to ‘shake it up’.

Yea. Same. For me,

1st choice: Keep Mika at all costs if he wants less than 10 mil a year, don’t trade for Eichel, and try to trade for or develop some young centers. Mika is about as proven as it gets, and his durability seems to be better.

2nd choice: Keep Mika and trade for Eichel as well

3rd choice: Trade Mika and trade for Eichel

 

[Rempe73]

I know it's just the preseason but Blais actually looks like a really good player. His shot we knew his checking we knew what I didn't know is his stick handling has been great especially tonight.

He’s so clean with his stickhandling. And the balance. Wow. Makes me feel a little better about the trade, but not fully. Oh well. I gotta get over it.

I don’t know if Blais ever got fully comfortable in the NHL with the Blues being stacked and him being injured. If he stays healthy, maybe he’s a real player.

 

[broadwayblue]

What are the latest rumors on a package for Eichel?

 

[tlk]

What are the latest rumors on a package for Eichel?

Don't think there was anything new for ages.

The last one's most damaging part was the inclusion of someone like Jones AFAIR.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

If the leak is true (and Kypreos has had NYR info in the past hasn't he?) that the NYR are both 1. past medical concerns and 2. willing to let him have the surgery he wants, that is an extremely significant development.

Can't imagine that would be be decided and come out unless the NYR were pretty in on this. Of course, most likely answer is probably that this is BS. But if it is true this definitely seems like a big development. At minimum if the medical conversations have been had between Adams and teams, indicates he may just be sifting through offers / trying to extract maximum value. And the "he wants too much" is just the usual posturing when there is no hard deadline.

Maybe Drury playing some 4D chess. Was probably asked about Eichel's medical situation and said the Rangers would be good with whatever just to watch Sabres management start sweating. Doesn't explicit mean we ARE interested but no good GM should ever shut a door completely.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

What’s this team’s plan for Chytil? He looked awful last night. He should have feasted on the Devils’ JV squad but other than some flashes was unremarkable.

 

[Rempe73]

If you are not willing to put Jones in a package for Eichel, you are insane.

1st, 2nd, Jones, and Chytil. I’ll add a bit more if I’m confident he’ll be fully healthy.

 

[RangerBoy]

Dr. Ali Rendely provided useful perspective on the Sabres/Jack Eichel surgery situation during a recent appearance on The Jeff Marek Show. On one hand, Dr. Rendely reinforced that Eichel should probably be able to decide which procedure he prefers. Neck surgery is serious, after all.

That said, Rendely clarifies that a six-month window, if not more, is likely a realistic minimum recovery period for both artificial disc and fusion options. (There were indications that disc replacement could get Eichel back on the ice significantly sooner than fusion, but Dr. Rendely indicates otherwise.) If you have even a fleeting interest in the Sabres/Eichel surgery situation, this interview is easily worth your time.

https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2021/10/0...ichel-brady-tkachuk-updates-ovechkin-gretzky/

https://twitter.com/alirendely

Assessing Jack Eichel's treatment options with Dr. Ali Rendely - Sportsnet.ca

This dude is not playing this season with either surgery.

The doctor from Colorado offered a shorter recovery time. He said 6 weeks. Dreger keeps saying several months. I bring that up because Dreger is close with Brisson. Returning to high level of competition is more than 6 weeks. Rendely explains the process. Six months for both surgeries. Could be more for the disc replacement. Risk of paralysis with both surgeries. Her explanation of the disc replacement. Bone graft. Replacing space between the vertebrae. The bone graft metal needs to fuse to the neck. Six weeks?

 

[duhmetreE]

https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2021/10/0...ichel-brady-tkachuk-updates-ovechkin-gretzky/

https://twitter.com/alirendely

Assessing Jack Eichel's treatment options with Dr. Ali Rendely - Sportsnet.ca

47:45 mark

This dude is not playing this season with either surgery.

The doctor from Colorado offered a shorter recovery time. He said 6 weeks. Dreger keeps saying several months. I bring that up because Dreger is close with Brisson. Returning to high level of competition is more than 6 weeks. Rendely explains the process. Six months for both surgeries. Risk of paralysis with both surgeries. Her explanation of the disc replacement. Bone graft. Replacing space between the vertebrae. The bone graft metal needs to fuse to the neck.