Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXVI

[jay from jersey]

Sammy Blais is underrated

The goal he scored was nice and he has a sweet pass across the goal mouth that was almost put in.

He's going to surprise a lot of folks not happy with the trade.

I doubt he stays on 4th line too long. He can hit and play with energy no doubt, but the kid also has sneaky talent. Injuries are and will continue to be his problem.
If he doesn’t go too crazy and injure himself, I’d expect to see him move up in the line up fairly soon.

 

[jay from jersey]

Im not worried about it at all. Buffalo is the team that is dealing from a position of weakness, not the Rangers.

This. Drury is not a dumb man. We also have a lot of depth everywhere. We also don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes. Some of the players we’ve had for years could be mighty pissed if they don’t have a spot right out of the gate.... that usually leads to a trade request sooner or later. Not naming names....
But I guarantee if Lundkvist or Kravtsov are sent to Hartford or sit in the press box while someone else we signed/traded for or have internally outplayed them.... they aren’t going to be happy with that situation. These guys want to play. And they aren’t the only 2.
Why do you think I keep bringing the crowded blue line??? Next season it’s going to be a legitimate problem. Player moves are on the horizon, whether it’s Eichel who we bring in or someone else.

 

[Circus86]

Maybe we should try to extend Blais now?

 

[and 99 others]

grammar nazi chiming in. There's a difference between teams being past medical issues and being passed medical issues. I think Kypreos used the wrong one

 

[RangerBoy]

This clip is from yesterday. Dreger said he spoke to a Rangers source earlier in the day(yesterday) and the Rangers aren't interested in Eichel. There isn't a big market for Eichel. Teams aren't rushing to make this trade. Dreger feels the deal will be a young player/prospect trying to find his way in the NHL or a player drafted one or two years ago. The team would add young prospects and picks to the deal. What type of draft picks for an injured player? The Sabres aren't receiving a #1 pick without conditions attached to the pick.

Dreger would know because he is close to Brisson. The agent knows which teams are interested.

Buffalo had their chance to make this deal last year at this time. Buffalo has a high asking price. The Sabres have to accept futures deal. They don't really want to assume any money in the trade. They don't want to retain money or take back a contract to make the money work. Eichel still needs surgery and is months away from playing. The cap will be flat for this season and three more seasons.

The Jagr deal from 2001. He had a huge contract. The Penguins didn't get much for him.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

Chicago hasn't won a play off series since Kane and Toews got their big pay day though.

They won in 2015...the year after they signed.

 

[duhmetreE]

“I’m getting a little more comfortable, the guys have been really, really nice with me,” said Blais, obtained from St. Louis in the Pavel Buchnevich deal. “It’s a little different from where I was before.”

“I’m really, really happy to be here. I think we can do a lot of damage here, and I’m really excited to be part of this group.”

WTF?

this guy was getting shit on and bullied in STL? I heard of the alleged issues with Berube..

 

[NYSPORTS]

Up till now only ones who were talking about selling the farm for Eichel are the detractors of the move. Literally no rumours whatsoever gave any suggestion that the blue chips are gonna be involved.
Eichel's real life market value (as opposed to the deluded sabres fans' ramblings) has to be at an all time low now (high AAV, needs surgery, will miss a huge chunk of the ssn). So repeat the offer or add something extra but be sure to make them to retain, which in turn will give Zibs the incentive to take a cut.
Not saying it's very likely or even doable on practice but certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

i don’t how anybody is accurate with his value. All we know for sure is he has $10 million coming to him per year and we have a low, hard cap.

As far as players going back to the Sabres. Well, the Rangers cannot pay everybody so it wouldn’t surprise me if Kakko was included.

I would much rather forget about Eichel

 

[NYRFANMANI]

afaic both the Sabres and Eichel can go f*** themselves.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

They won in 2015...the year after they signed.

They were still on their old deals when they won their last Cup. Their big pay-day started on July 1st 2015, and they haven't made it to the 2nd round since.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Like it or not, Eichel will be a Ranger. It was obvious last summer when the "rumors" started. This is a rerun boys, we've seen it too many times before.

yup, and then our All-Star team will lose to Buffalo in the playoffs.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

They were still on their old deals when they won their last Cup. Their big pay-day started on July 1st 2015, and they haven't made it to the 2nd round since.

They signed the contract extensions in 2014. Lol who cares when they kicked in?
Look, I agree, it's not an ideal situation, but Chicago did win with those two guys and if Towes could've stayed healthy they might have won again. Ironically, trading Panarin was a huge blunder. Pittsburgh, on the other hand, did succeed with Crosby and Malkin on 10+mil, but again, they were able to draft them as well. For me, if Eichel does come in, I would hope Mika takes some form of a discount in the hopes of winning here.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

This clip is from yesterday. Dreger said he spoke to a Rangers source earlier in the day(yesterday) and the Rangers aren't interested in Eichel. There isn't a big market for Eichel. Teams aren't rushing to make this trade. Dreger feels the deal will be a young player/prospect trying to find his way in the NHL or a player drafted one or two years ago. The team would add young prospects and picks to the deal. What type of draft picks for an injured player? The Sabres aren't receiving a #1 pick without conditions attached to the pick.

Dreger would know because he is close to Brisson. The agent knows which teams are interested.

Buffalo had their chance to make this deal last year at this time. Buffalo has a high asking price. The Sabres have to accept futures deal. They don't really want to assume any money in the trade. They don't want to retain money or take back a contract to make the money work. Eichel still needs surgery and is months away from playing. The cap will be flat for this season and three more seasons.

The Jagr deal from 2001. He had a huge contract. The Penguins didn't get much for him.

Listening to what Dreger said, it sounds like things have not really changed at all. Sabres want too much, teams aren't taking on that kind of risk.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

They signed the contract extensions in 2014. Lol who cares when they kicked in?
Look, I agree, it's not an ideal situation, but Chicago did win with those two guys and if Towes could've stayed healthy they might have won again. Ironically, trading Panarin was a huge blunder. Pittsburgh, on the other hand, did succeed with Crosby and Malkin on 10+mil, but again, they were able to draft them as well. For me, if Eichel does come in, I would hope Mika takes some form of a discount in the hopes of winning here.

They signed in 2014 but the cap implications weren't there yet until 2015. That was what the initial post was about. "Spending 18-19m on your top two doesn't leave much else to go around". Those 10.5m cap hits for Toews and Kane started in 2015.

unfortunately the cap implications of doing this would be detrimental to the future of this team. Spending 18-19M on your top two centers doesn’t leave much else to go around, especially when you have high end young players like Fox, Laf, Kakko who will need new deals soon

 

[KOVALEV022473]

They signed in 2014 but the cap implications weren't there yet until 2015. That was what the initial post was about. "Spending 18-19m on your top two doesn't leave much else to go around". Those 10.5m cap hits for Toews and Kane started in 2015.

Again, I agree, it is not ideal, but Pittsburgh was successful multiple times, and I have faith that a 1.4 billion dollar organization has the wherewithal to navigate the cap.

Let's just say for arguments sake, Eichel comes in on ltir, returns for the last half or quarter of the season and the Rangers go on to win the cup. Then Mika walks over the summer. Would you consider this year/the trade a success?

 

[duhmetreE]

You need your homegrown stars to take some form of a discount. It all adds up.

It's not easy for New York and it's taxes/cost of living.

 

[EdJovanovski]

How much stock should I put in the opinion of someone who uses “passed” instead of past? Even the use of the word past would be grammatically incorrect. Kipper is kinda a dumbo

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

How much stock should I put in the opinion of someone who uses “passed” instead of past? Even the use of the word past would be grammatically incorrect. Kipper is kinda a dumbo

Is it though? What if the Rangers were passed the medical records, as in "pass me those records"?

 

[Avery16]

“Normally we don’t see that out of him”

if only Kreider played the way we all know he is capable of, all the time instead of just when he feels like it.

 

[Bluto]

You need your homegrown stars to take some form of a discount. It all adds up.

It's not easy for New York and it's taxes/cost of living.

No professional in any field should ever take a discount... doubly so for NYR players if NYR trade for Eichel... Triply so because NY and NYC taxes are completely ludicrous. Players could take a million less on the contract in Dallas or Florida and still take home more after taxes.
"Hey I know we drafted and developed you and you've never been a problem but we would rather pay 10 million to the guy with the broken neck who was stripped of his captaincy for being a locker room cancer. Please accept a discount to play with him or else it goes against our plans."

 

[duhmetreE]

No professional in any field should ever take a discount... doubly so for NYR players if NYR trade for Eichel... Triply so because NY and NYC taxes are completely ludicrous. Players could take a million less on the contract in Dallas or Florida and still take home more after taxes.
"Hey I know we drafted and developed you and you've never been a problem but we would rather pay 10 million to the guy with the broken neck who was stripped of his captaincy for being a locker room cancer. Please accept a discount to play with him or else it goes against our plans."

yeah that's not what I was implying at all.

Trouba is an overpayment. We can't hand those out like skittles and expect to win.

IF Zibs gets 11M. If Fox gets 12M. we're not winning or sustaining long term success. It's that simple. You can't compare this to any other profession that doesn't have a cap.

 

[Bluto]

yeah that's not what I was implying at all.

Trouba is an overpayment. We can't hand those out like skittles and expect to win.

IF Zibs gets 11M. If Fox gets 12M. we're not winning.

I'm just saying I would never expect for players to take discounts. I think it's a terrible business decision. At the end of the day, the money you bring home is more important than a championship. If Zibby is offered 11M, you shake his hand and say "good luck on your next endeavor". Fox might actually be worth 12M.

But taking a discount to play in New York where the city, state and federal government is going to take a combined 55-60% of your income is utterly moronic from a financial standpoint.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Dreger has become really bad. Was just watching a TSN hit with him, when asked "You said TEAMS, which teams are involved" he goes "quote unquote a FEW teams" then mentions us, the Kings (who have no need for a center and no cap space to sign Eichel) and the Ducks (whose GM just publicly said they were rebuilding) and then says "I've been told no from the Rangers and Kings and Ducks have downplayed their interest."

Not that we should do it, but I'm failing to see any team left here that could even pull this off besides us.

 

[Kords]

yup, and then our All-Star team will lose to Buffalo in the playoffs.

To a Kravy gwg no less

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

yup, and then our All-Star team will lose to Buffalo in the playoffs.

I'd believe it...

Other than the part about Buffalo being in the playoffs. That franchise is f***ed.