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Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXVI

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LoveGoons said:
Is it me or is Krieder play softer than usual?
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I cant tell if this is serious. Kreider, the guy who's been first to the puck, forechecked hard, several games led the team with hits, and also had a dirty hit this game.
Kreider is on one of his infamous hot streaks, and he's playing nasty right now.
 
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I Eat Crow said:
I'd call up Arizona and ask about Clayton Keller. You have Kreider playing on the right side and having it not work out. He's better suited for a third line role at ES at this juncture regardless. Kakko is hurt. And then who else is there? Goodrow and Blais are swiss army like players that can line up just about anywhere in the lineup but aren't necessarily ideal top 6 solutions.

The Rangers' defense isn't good enough to cover for an offense that's looked anemic early on. With Kravtsov on the outs, the long term outlook at RW is shallow. Othmann will be a LW. Berard too. Both will be middle six wingers if all goes to plan. Neither has played the right side. The future left side is loaded. Those two guys and Lafreniere who's hopefully your marquee guy. The right side has Kakko and who? There's a long term opening at 2nd line RW. Blais and Goodrow are bottom six guys that should only be in the top 6 in event of injury.

Keller for Kravtsov, Jones, and STL's 2nd. Becomes NYR's 2022 1st if the Rangers get to the conference finals this year. Keller is stuck on a horrible team and would look good with Chytil or Zibanejad centering him.
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Keller's also earning $7m a year until 27/28

Clayton Keller Contract, Cap Hit, Salary and Stats - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
 
duhmetreE said:
We just need some better finishers. When Zibs is flubbing or hitting posts, we dont have many shooters.

or alternatively, our top talent can stop being gun-shy and perimeter players.
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I think Zibby, chytil, and Barron are all shoot first type of players. Various skill sets though. Which is fine. What we don’t have is that trigger man on the wing who just rips it every time he gets an opening. Hopefully LaF can be that guy. He certainly has the tools but looks to defer too much atm
Pajuniemi may develop into the Olofsson type trigger man if he can add weight and be stronger on the puck.
Othmann has potential to be as well..
But for the near future, we’d be better served if 1 of LaF/ kakko becomes that shoot first threat
 
Keller is small, not remotely a physical presence, makes $7M/yr forever, cant finish, isn't a center, and hasn't looked as good as his rookie year in the last 3 years.

Doesn't check any boxes other than can play RW, I don't get it I Eat Crow.
 
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Kreider is a complete floating donut until he's dominating shifts and is a top 10 player in the league for a few handfuls of periods a year.

There's really no way to assess him in any consistent manner. Generally I just hope he shows up.
 
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bleedblue94 said:
And if you are going to get a team to eat 12mil you have to pay them appropriately. It wouldn't be a couple of 3rd round picks. That's why I think their window to do it is closed. You're not getting trouba or kreider to wave their nmc midseason, and I doubt buffalo drags this until next summer.
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Yea it would definitely cost for a team to eat that cap. That’s why you’d better be sure that Eichel is the guy you want with a Eichel /Zibby 2-headed Monster.
Hopefully chytil can be that guy. We need him to be. 60-65 pt 2-way center. He certainly has the body type/speed/ talent.
It’s just all about the consistency at this point for him.
otherwise, if they decide to make a move, your kind of stuck in that 2nd tier talent options and the best player they could get and fit cap wise would be a Gourde, Maybe Thomas in STL, possibly a Cirelli. But like Larkin, you’d have to overpay to get him and he’ll be needing a raise.
None of them hold a candle to Eichel in terms of talent though.
If they are ok with the surgery/rehab and think he’ll be back to normal, trading for him injured/disgruntled now would be the only way to add a guy like that unless they draft him.
It’s a big gamble for sure, but that also effects the value of the pieces go out in NYR a favor as well.
I don’t think many realize just what time of special player he is. He was basically a PPG center with the neck injury. My guess is his goals to assist ratio were down cause the injury was causing him pain in the shooting department.
But Eichel is the total package when healthy. He can be a 40/40 or 50/50 center for sure.
The main reason, besides the injury I would use against acquiring him, is the PP. they would obviously accommodate him, but that would come likely at the expense of LaF and I really don’t want that.
I think it’s vital for lafs game and confidence that he racks up pts on the PP. it will keep him active and engaged for the rest of the game.
 
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I Eat Crow said:
There are better options out there I'm sure, but he does fill a current and long term need.
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I like Keller, he is talented and could thrive on a team with better talent, it's just that to fit him in would require a serious bit of fixing and moving stuff around. Buch was traded and he would have cost less.
 
Even when we play a bad game, it feels like the team has more pride now than they have in several years. And that starts with the character guys.

We were getting effectively blanked, but it wasn't for lack of effort. And then when our back's were to the wall, we lashed out both physically and on the scoreboard.

The Trouba and Blais fights were real hockey fights that came from two teams wanting to impose their will. I don't much care for fighting, but I want every guy on the team to have that 'not going to be pushed around' mentality. It's f***ing nice to see.

We mostly got outplayed, but I'm very much a fan of our new mindset. Now we just need to figure out how to play better hockey; but that unwillingness to lose is already there, and that's something that we have rarely seen over the last several years.
 
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duhmetreE said:
We just need some better finishers. When Zibs is flubbing or hitting posts, we dont have many shooters.

or alternatively, our top talent can stop being gun-shy and perimeter players.
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We have a spot at RW. Pujaniemi's skill is as a shooter.

I can't comment on the rest of his game.

Is he in HFT or back to Euro?
 
I Eat Crow said:
I'd call up Arizona and ask about Clayton Keller. You have Kreider playing on the right side and having it not work out. He's better suited for a third line role at ES at this juncture regardless. Kakko is hurt. And then who else is there? Goodrow and Blais are swiss army like players that can line up just about anywhere in the lineup but aren't necessarily ideal top 6 solutions.

The Rangers' defense isn't good enough to cover for an offense that's looked anemic early on. With Kravtsov on the outs, the long term outlook at RW is shallow. Othmann will be a LW. Berard too. Both will be middle six wingers if all goes to plan. Neither has played the right side. The future left side is loaded. Those two guys and Lafreniere who's hopefully your marquee guy. The right side has Kakko and who? There's a long term opening at 2nd line RW. Blais and Goodrow are bottom six guys that should only be in the top 6 in event of injury.

Keller for Kravtsov, Jones, and STL's 2nd. Becomes NYR's 2022 1st if the Rangers get to the conference finals this year. Keller is stuck on a horrible team and would look good with Chytil or Zibanejad centering him.
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I like Keller and had a similar idea to this. However, we would need Arizona to retain a fair bit of money to make it feasible longterm
 
I Eat Crow said:
I'd call up Arizona and ask about Clayton Keller. You have Kreider playing on the right side and having it not work out. He's better suited for a third line role at ES at this juncture regardless. Kakko is hurt. And then who else is there? Goodrow and Blais are swiss army like players that can line up just about anywhere in the lineup but aren't necessarily ideal top 6 solutions.

The Rangers' defense isn't good enough to cover for an offense that's looked anemic early on. With Kravtsov on the outs, the long term outlook at RW is shallow. Othmann will be a LW. Berard too. Both will be middle six wingers if all goes to plan. Neither has played the right side. The future left side is loaded. Those two guys and Lafreniere who's hopefully your marquee guy. The right side has Kakko and who? There's a long term opening at 2nd line RW. Blais and Goodrow are bottom six guys that should only be in the top 6 in event of injury.

Keller for Kravtsov, Jones, and STL's 2nd. Becomes NYR's 2022 1st if the Rangers get to the conference finals this year. Keller is stuck on a horrible team and would look good with Chytil or Zibanejad centering him.
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you try what you have first... ( even then, I'd never be interested in Keller at that price )

Chytil has the tools to be an effective RW on Panarin's line. He's not working or being effective at center. I also think Barron could be given a shot.
 
Too much being offered for Keller. Especially considering his contract. He has been so underwhelming the last couple years. This would be a bad trade unless it favors the Rangers
 
duhmetreE said:
you try what you have first... ( even then, I'd never be interested in Keller at that price )

Chytil has the tools to be an effective RW on Panarin's line. He's not working or being effective at center. I also think Barron could be given a shot.
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I'd much rather stick Goodrow on that line and it call it a season. I'm tired of seeing kids thrown on that RW just so they can sit back and play defense. Let's get Kakko scoring. Let Laf - Chytil - Blais get some games and see what we have here. As the third line they should draw some favorable matchups. We know that second line works with a defensive minded RW so just put Goodrow on it.
 
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I’m intrigued by Keller, but salary would need to be retained or cap would need to go back. At the end of this season, I’d say Georgiev + Nemeth + in order to make the cap work. I do think he’s much more likely to be a 60-70 point winger in a different spot.
 
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