Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXVI

[AirGut]

So we're out on Eichel officially now? Hmm kind of boring but whatever. I wanted us to get another top tier C

 

[egelband]

It seemed like last night game was a game Reeves should have left his mark on. You had a cheap shot elbow to the face and a very physical game and Reeves seemed to be invisible in that department. I get he's not gonna fight every game but I don't remember a player like him ever going to a new team and not fighting or show anything in preseason or regular season.

I agree. Though I will give him the benefit of the doubt. I didn't actually see the play but I am guessing that the Rangers in general didn't feel like the guy who threw the elbow was worth the time and effort. In principle I totally want guys who cross the line dealt with. But I trust Reaves and this group in general to deal with the big problems. Also, these guys have long memories and another matchup this year.

 

[NYR2007]

For the record i am impressed with his play and i know he does get in on the forecheck and turns over pucks. But i expected him to have a tilt by now

 

[Fitzy]

Nils has been bad? Nemeth-Lundqvist with some warts through the first few games have been miles better than any combo we've seen on the third pairing in years. Nils has gotten better with each game, if by bad people mean not a seasoned Vet, then that's true.

Nils has had fewer issues his first few games than Miller did last year.

I think people are being a little bit picky because a lot of posters here wanted to see Jones make the team instead.

 

[MrAlmost]

EA sports time. Trade Krav, Georgiev to Ottawa for Grieg, Sanford. Trade Goat and Hajek to Arizona for Kessel with 50% retention. Call up Kinkaid. Send down Barron and McKegg.

Kreider-Z-Kakko
Panarin-Strome-Kessel
Laf-Chytil-Blais
Sanford-Goodrow/Rooney-Rooney/Goodrow
Reaves/Hunt

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Nemeth-Lundqvist/Tinordi

Igor
Kinkaid

Crazy trades aside, I think 14 forwards, 7 D, 2 G is what all teams will be striving for eventually.

 

[Avery16]

Would buy? Obviously, Graves

 

[RangerBoy]

So we're out on Eichel officially now? Hmm kind of boring but whatever. I wanted us to get another top tier C

How do the Rangers fit the $10M cap hit into their salary cap? The Sabres don't want to retain money. They will take back a short term contract(one year) to make the money easier but Eichel has four more seasons after this season at $10M. The cap is expected to be flat until the summer of 2025. There are expected to be $1M annual increases until that summer.

The Sabres haven't dropped their asking price. They want all of the prime young cheap players and the other team assumes the entire Eichel contract. The acquiring team assumes all of the risk with the neck surgery. Eichel got hurt on the Sabres watch. They gave him the contract. He has a hockey related injury. He didn't get hurt snow boarding. The Sabres want to walk away with no financial responsibility on Eichel's contract and will not take on a long-term contract in exchange to make the money work.

The Sabres can't get everything. If they want a young asset package, retain money in the contract. There is a difference of opinion on the asset package. Eichel is not the pre-Eichel. He needs to have major neck surgery. If they don't want to retain money to help the acquiring team, the Sabres will have to accept a lesser package. They can't have it both ways.

The Sabres don't want to help facilitate the trade. Gimme. Gimme. More. You take all of the money and you figure out how Eichel's $10M fits into the cap.

People here complain about the Rangers being top heavy. Eichel will make them more top heavy. They won't be a better team.

Eichel isn't getting traded anytime soon. That's the Sabres problem.

 

[duhmetreE]

How do the Rangers fit the $10M cap hit into their salary cap? The Sabres don't want to retain money. They will take back a short term contract(one year) to make the money easier but Eichel has four more seasons after this season at $10M. The cap is expected to be flat until the summer of 2025. There are expected to be $1M annual increases until that summer.

The Sabres haven't dropped their asking price. They want all of the prime young cheap players and the other team assumes the entire Eichel contract. The acquiring team assumes all of the risk with the neck surgery. Eichel got hurt on the Sabres watch. They gave him the contract. He has a hockey related injury. He didn't get hurt snow boarding. The Sabres want to walk away with no financial responsibility on Eichel's contract and will not take on a long-term contract in exchange to make the money work.

The Sabres can't get everything. If they want a young asset package, retain money in the contract. There is a difference of opinion on the asset package. Eichel is not the pre-Eichel. He needs to have major neck surgery. If they don't want to retain money to help the acquiring team, the Sabres will have to accept a lesser package. They can't have it both ways.

The Sabres don't want to help facilitate the trade. Gimme. Gimme. More. You take all of the money and you figure out how Eichel's $10M fits into the cap.

People here complain about the Rangers being top heavy. Eichel will make them more top heavy. They won't be a better team.

Eichel isn't getting traded anytime soon. That's the Sabres problem.

Only feasible way,

Kravtsov, Lundkivst, Chytil + pick for Eichel @ 40-50%

I still question if that makes us 'better'.. Not talking about our offense but talking about becoming a Cup Winning team. Amazing how Buffalo remembered how to win all of a sudden

 

[duhmetreE]

Hajek for Strome

maybe he could finish Panarin setups

Panarin R.Strome D.Strome

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Hajek for Strome

maybe he could finish Panarin setups

Panarin R.Strome D.Strome

The zero defense line.

 

[Kocur Dill]

I agree. Though I will give him the benefit of the doubt. I didn't actually see the play but I am guessing that the Rangers in general didn't feel like the guy who threw the elbow was worth the time and effort. In principle I totally want guys who cross the line dealt with. But I trust Reaves and this group in general to deal with the big problems. Also, these guys have long memories and another matchup this year.

This is most likely the best take away from that instance.

Coach may want Revo 100% for an upcoming game and made the decision not to fire his rounds off at an unworthy opponent.

Also, I wonder if Reeves leg is still bothering him. You need your lower body at its best for the leverage and balance it takes to tussle in The Bigs.

Either way, as you said the season is still young.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Anyone surprised that Buffalo is a better team without Eichel? I am not.

Not to disagree but it was only two Octobers ago that Buffalo was in first place in the league, 9-2-2 with Eichel scoring 17 points in the month. Ralph Kruger was a genius, Olafsson was ROY, etc.

 

[tomobson]

Hajek for Strome

maybe he could finish Panarin setups

Panarin R.Strome D.Strome

That sounds like a nice regular season line that would get destroyed in the playoff push/playoffs.

 

[bleedblue94]

Look at Seider - He's taken the ball and run with it for Detroit and looks great already. He's also coming over from the SHL. I've basically been preaching that Nils is going to need a ton of adjustment time here the entire summer, but its not a league thing as much as it's a skill set thing which worries me as there are certain things that he isn't doing that I don't know (or really think, at least with his tools) can be improved upon all that much.

I don't think its time to send him down yet (I prefer him to Tinordi and Hajek too, though I'm not sure Hajek would be any worse at this current moment but we already know what he is) but my question was really how long are people willing to ride out this wave before they'd consider it time to bite the bullet and send him down? Because with the way things are now, hes almost never in a position to utilize his strengths (his shot) as he's being hemmed in his own end for like 70% of the game.

Seider also played 49 games in the AHL, but agreed that we just need to be patient right now.

 

[bleedblue94]

For the record i am impressed with his play and i know he does get in on the forecheck and turns over pucks. But i expected him to have a tilt by now

He might still be injured, if his leg isn't healthy that could be part of why he hasn't scrapped yet

Only feasible way,

Kravtsov, Lundkivst, Chytil + pick for Eichel @ 40-50%

I still question if that makes us 'better'.. Not talking about our offense but talking about becoming a Cup Winning team. Amazing how Buffalo remembered how to win all of a sudden

Buff is adamant that they won't retain on eichel, so you would have to find a third team and pay them to retain some salary or for them to take one of the contracts that we want to offload. Either way it's going to be hard unless that made a trade, LTIR jack, self rent strome and let him walk this summer, and then move ck or trouba this summer to open up room. It's all a very tall order to see happening at this point.

 

[bleedblue94]

Hajek for Strome

maybe he could finish Panarin setups

Panarin R.Strome D.Strome

If you bring Dylan strome here than in many ways you're signaling that Ryan will be here beyond this season

We need less Strome's, not more of them...

 

[jay from jersey]

Look at Seider - He's taken the ball and run with it for Detroit and looks great already. He's also coming over from the SHL. I've basically been preaching that Nils is going to need a ton of adjustment time here the entire summer, but its not a league thing as much as it's a skill set thing which worries me as there are certain things that he isn't doing that I don't know (or really think, at least with his tools) can be improved upon all that much.

I don't think its time to send him down yet (I prefer him to Tinordi and Hajek too, though I'm not sure Hajek would be any worse at this current moment but we already know what he is) but my question was really how long are people willing to ride out this wave before they'd consider it time to bite the bullet and send him down? Because with the way things are now, hes almost never in a position to utilize his strengths (his shot) as he's being hemmed in his own end for like 70% of the game.

Seider’s size helps him too. Physically, that’s a department where he’s ahead of nils currently. Doubt nils is going to get any bigger, but he will get stronger. Especially stronger on his skates.
Getting the timing, angles, and speed of the Nhl ice surface as opposed to the larger one over there will likely take a little bit as well.
As stated above, Seider also had some AHL time under his belt which was definitely beneficial for him.
I think Nils will be fine on the 3rd pairing. He just needs Nemeth to be a steady dependable presence for him to lean on when he needs. Typical rookie stuff.

 

[jay from jersey]

He might still be injured, if his leg isn't healthy that could be part of why he hasn't scrapped yet

Buff is adamant that they won't retain on eichel, so you would have to find a third team and pay them to retain some salary or for them to take one of the contracts that we want to offload. Either way it's going to be hard unless that made a trade, LTIR jack, self rent strome and let him walk this summer, and then move ck or trouba this summer to open up room. It's all a very tall order to see happening at this point.

What is the most the rangers can spend on a 2c without being in trouble cap wise??? My estimation is about 7.5 mill per. But that’s with losing Stromes hit at the end of the season, plus likely chytil 2.3 and georgievs 2.5.
Figure you need to replace 1-1.5 mill on a solid back-up alternative too.
So while Eichel isn’t impossible, a 3rd team would likely be necessary to eat about 3mill of cap space on eichels last 4 years of his deal

 

[Ola]

Not to disagree but it was only two Octobers ago that Buffalo was in first place in the league, 9-2-2 with Eichel scoring 17 points in the month. Ralph Kruger was a genius, Olafsson was ROY, etc.

Ops

 

[bleedblue94]

What is the most the rangers can spend on a 2c without being in trouble cap wise??? My estimation is about 7.5 mill per. But that’s with losing Stromes hit at the end of the season, plus likely chytil 2.3 and georgievs 2.5.
Figure you need to replace 1-1.5 mill on a solid back-up alternative too.
So while Eichel isn’t impossible, a 3rd team would likely be necessary to eat about 3mill of cap space on eichels last 4 years of his deal

And if you are going to get a team to eat 12mil you have to pay them appropriately. It wouldn't be a couple of 3rd round picks. That's why I think their window to do it is closed. You're not getting trouba or kreider to wave their nmc midseason, and I doubt buffalo drags this until next summer.

 

[duhmetreE]

Not to disagree but it was only two Octobers ago that Buffalo was in first place in the league, 9-2-2 with Eichel scoring 17 points in the month. Ralph Kruger was a genius, Olafsson was ROY, etc.

I thought Buffalo was playing well with their new coach. The team was buying in and working as a unit

 

[duhmetreE]

If you bring Dylan strome here than in many ways you're signaling that Ryan will be here beyond this season

We need less Strome's, not more of them...

We just need some better finishers. When Zibs is flubbing or hitting posts, we dont have many shooters.

or alternatively, our top talent can stop being gun-shy and perimeter players.

 

[LoveGoons]

Is me or is Kreider playing softer than usual.

 

[LoveGoons]

Is it me or is Krieder play softer than usual?

 

[I Eat Crow]

I'd call up Arizona and ask about Clayton Keller. You have Kreider playing on the right side and having it not work out. He's better suited for a third line role at ES at this juncture regardless. Kakko is hurt. And then who else is there? Goodrow and Blais are swiss army like players that can line up just about anywhere in the lineup but aren't necessarily ideal top 6 solutions.

The Rangers' defense isn't good enough to cover for an offense that's looked anemic early on. With Kravtsov on the outs, the long term outlook at RW is shallow. Othmann will be a LW. Berard too. Both will be middle six wingers if all goes to plan. Neither has played the right side. The future left side is loaded. Those two guys and Lafreniere who's hopefully your marquee guy. The right side has Kakko and who? There's a long term opening at 2nd line RW. Blais and Goodrow are bottom six guys that should only be in the top 6 in event of injury.

Keller for Kravtsov, Jones, and STL's 2nd. Becomes NYR's 2022 1st if the Rangers get to the conference finals this year. Keller is stuck on a horrible team and would look good with Chytil or Zibanejad centering him.