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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXVI - Point Of No Return

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Rangers really need to pressure the Avs. Colorado needs to make the playoffs. They cant keep missing. As much as I would rather keep them separate, I would package Hayes and Zucc for the Ottawa unprotected 1st round pick. Maybe you add another draft pick, say a ‘20 2nd round pick and you get back a B Level prospect. I dont know if that can work. But we need that OTT unprotected ‘19 1st rounder.

Or also add into the mix NYR ‘20 1st rd for COL ‘20 1st rd as well. I know some may object here because we may be bad next year with a chance at a top pick again BUT....to COL it moves them up in the 2020 draft possibly if they see themselves on an upward trend and us on a continued downward trend. And quite honestly i would be ok taking that risk IF it ultimately gives us the possibility of ending up with Hughes and Kakko. I think those two will be better than the 1st and 2nd OA picks next year. Obviously there are no guarantees
 
RGY said:
Rangers really need to pressure the Avs. Colorado needs to make the playoffs. They cant keep missing. As much as I would rather keep them separate, I would package Hayes and Zucc for the Ottawa unprotected 1st round pick. Maybe you add another draft pick, say a ‘20 2nd round pick and you get back a B Level prospect. I dont know if that can work. But we need that OTT unprotected ‘19 1st rounder
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Yeah, I'm sure Colorado is gonna trade the pick most likely to be 1st overall for Hayes, Zucc and some scraps.

You know deep down that that is ridiculous.
 
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MahomesIsGod said:
Yeah, I'm sure Colorado is gonna trade the pick most likely to be 1st overall for Hayes, Zucc and some scraps.

You know deep down that that is ridiculous.
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They may not. But you dont know how management is feeling there. You dont know what pressure they are under. How long have they had Landeskog for now? Mackinnon? When are they gona finally compete? Make the playoffs and make noise. You give them two forwards who can enter their top 6 and extend their depth.

And what scraps? A 2nd round pick is terrible now? Our prospects are scraps? We have 6 1st round picks from the last 3 drafts. We dont have “scraps”.
 
Off Sides said:
Doesn't a player need to be unconditionally waived before any buyout? And I guess, if so that leads to wouldn't someone maybe claim Marleau as his real money owed would be pretty low?
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He has an NMC, which I imagine Arizona would honor, so he can't be claimed. The unconditional waivers are just a formality at that point.
 
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Kupo said:
Tied now.

Praying for an OT win for LA. That’ll put them and NJ at 48 points. We have 52.

11 teams would be separated by 4 points. Jesus. What a race.
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The sad part is that LA is only 6 points out of a playoff spot with 1 game at hand on Vancouver.

Faceless said:
Is there anyone that actually provides decent insight/rumors any more? Are there any rumors we can latch onto? The only guy I trust these days is Larry but he is always so vague so it's more reading between the lines.

McKenzie is obviously reliable, but he reports things like minutes before they happen.
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RGY said:
They may not. But you dont know how management is feeling there. You dont know what pressure they are under. How long have they had Landeskog for now? Mackinnon? When are they gona finally compete? Make the playoffs and make noise. You give them two forwards who can enter their top 6 and extend their depth.

And what scraps? A 2nd round pick is terrible now? Our prospects are scraps? We have 6 1st round picks from the last 3 drafts. We dont have “scraps”.
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When we’re talking about a 1-4 overall pick, yah, a 2nd rounder is pretty irrelevant. And what prospects are we talking about? If it’s Kravstov or Miller, sure, that’d be fairer value, but I don’t think you’re talking about guys like that.

I don’t think any organization on the planet, sans the Edmonton Oilers or New York Knicks, would even consider trading a pick that high for rentals+. Not to mention, I think you’re seriously overestimating how much “pressure” the Avs are feeling, considering that all their best , most important players are under 25.
 
Shattenhurts said:
If WE (NYR) owned OTT's pick and were barely hanging onto the cusp of playoff contention, think to yourself what it would take for you to give that pick up. And compare that with what we have to offer.

It is not happening. Everyone needs to let that dream go.
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The only way it could happen is something like a Kreider/Zibanejad package. It would be an insane trade.
 
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@ZuccsFluffierFluffer said it best, the Rangers are likely going to finish worse than every team in the Western Conference. The problem is that they won’t be as bad as Ottawa, Detroit and NJ.
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Wouldn't count them out.

Even though the schedule has transitioned back to sweetheart mode this week, it flips back after and kind of stays that way for the rest of the season.

We're about to lose 1/3 of our top 6.

Ottawa is horrendous, but NJ with Hall and Detroit could easily pass us, the gap isn't too significant there.
 
RGY said:
They may not. But you dont know how management is feeling there. You dont know what pressure they are under. How long have they had Landeskog for now? Mackinnon? When are they gona finally compete? Make the playoffs and make noise. You give them two forwards who can enter their top 6 and extend their depth.

And what scraps? A 2nd round pick is terrible now? Our prospects are scraps? We have 6 1st round picks from the last 3 drafts. We dont have “scraps”.
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Hayes and Zucc aren’t signed after this year and a 2nd while great to have, isn’t valuable enough to give up a shot at Hughes.

The possibility of rolling McK and Hughes for the next 6-8 years is worth a lot more to the AVs long term than the package you’re offering.

I’d love to have that pick before the draft, but it would hurt significantly to acquire it. Think Zbad+Krieder hurt.
 
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Ottawa will play better imo once stone and duchene are signed. If they aren’t forget it. They’re done.

But every other bottom team imo will be better than us after the deadline.

I also don’t think Hayes Zucc or McQuaid play another game after this homestand. We will hold guys out. We’ve done it before. Dont want a bad product on the ice for the home fans so those guys will play thru Toronto but after that imo at least they’ll be dealt or be held out.
 
RGY said:
Rangers really need to pressure the Avs. Colorado needs to make the playoffs. They cant keep missing. As much as I would rather keep them separate, I would package Hayes and Zucc for the Ottawa unprotected 1st round pick. Maybe you add another draft pick, say a ‘20 2nd round pick and you get back a B Level prospect. I dont know if that can work. But we need that OTT unprotected ‘19 1st rounder.

Or also add into the mix NYR ‘20 1st rd for COL ‘20 1st rd as well. I know some may object here because we may be bad next year with a chance at a top pick again BUT....to COL it moves them up in the 2020 draft possibly if they see themselves on an upward trend and us on a continued downward trend. And quite honestly i would be ok taking that risk IF it ultimately gives us the possibility of ending up with Hughes and Kakko. I think those two will be better than the 1st and 2nd OA picks next year. Obviously there are no guarantees
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Colorado has already made it clear they are keeping this pick and Makar. As they should. The Avs are still building. This is no time for them to make an all in trade.
 
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GAGLine said:
Marleau is on a 35+ contract and after his 3 mil signing bonus, he only has 1.25 mil in salary remaining. Toronto could trade him to Arizona or some other cap floor team after July 1st. Arizona buys him out during the 2nd buyout window for 2/3rds (833,333) but still has 6.25 mil in cap because it's a 35+ contract. Marleau then re-signs with Toronto.

Marleau would have to agree to it, but he ends up getting more money and still gets to play in Toronto, so I don't know why he would be opposed to it.

The league might say something about it, but after Washington did the same thing with Orpik last year and the league said it was okay, I have a hard time seeing how they can stop Toronto from doing it. It may be something that the NHL will look to prohibit in the next CBA.
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That's flat out circumvention the way you may described it. Washington did a similar thing last year and the league approved but Orpik was waived through the league. That's a big difference. Marleau has a NMC.
 
RGY said:
Rangers really need to pressure the Avs. Colorado needs to make the playoffs. They cant keep missing. As much as I would rather keep them separate, I would package Hayes and Zucc for the Ottawa unprotected 1st round pick. Maybe you add another draft pick, say a ‘20 2nd round pick and you get back a B Level prospect. I dont know if that can work. But we need that OTT unprotected ‘19 1st rounder.

Or also add into the mix NYR ‘20 1st rd for COL ‘20 1st rd as well. I know some may object here because we may be bad next year with a chance at a top pick again BUT....to COL it moves them up in the 2020 draft possibly if they see themselves on an upward trend and us on a continued downward trend. And quite honestly i would be ok taking that risk IF it ultimately gives us the possibility of ending up with Hughes and Kakko. I think those two will be better than the 1st and 2nd OA picks next year. Obviously there are no guarantees
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If you want the Ottawa pick unprotected, you will send a package including Chytil, Kravtsov, Hayes and a 1st, and that might not even be enough.
 
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bobbop said:
That's flat out circumvention the way you may described it. Washington did a similar thing last year and the league approved but Orpik was waived through the league. That's a big difference. Marleau has a NMC.
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Yeah, maybe that would be grounds for the league stopping it. There was also a significant amount of time between the buyout and when Washington signed him, time in which other teams could have signed him.

It will be interesting to see what happens with it.
 
GAGLine said:
Yeah, maybe that would be grounds for the league stopping it. There was also a significant amount of time between the buyout and when Washington signed him, time in which other teams could have signed him.

It will be interesting to see what happens with it.
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Yeah it seems like there should be a rule that a player being traded, bought out by another team can not be reacquired/signed by the original team for a year or something. Similar to trading with retention where a team can not get that player back, I think for a year.
 
Gardner McKay said:
The sad part is that LA is only 6 points out of a playoff spot with 1 game at hand on Vancouver.

LA is going to make the playoffs. You heard it here first. The Pacific is very weak this year. They've been on a war path since Quick came back from injury. I was wrong about them. I thought they would bottom out.

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