Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXV - Time to say Goodbye

[NYR Viper]

Whoops I misread, I thought you were saying Beleskey and Smith for Brassard. But the same point applies- doesn't Columbus/Torts still value Dubinsky?

I mean he makes $5.85M back-loaded and has about 11 points in 37 games played. The Blue Jackets have more than a few guys who are big bodies and who play with an edge which is what Dubi's game is predicated on

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

Us looking at Gorts like^^

 

[DanielBrassard]

I mean they're trading a spare defenseman and a guy in the AHL.

But say this is a no-go, would you do the trade if Columbus withheld $500k in Dubi's contract?

The deal I proposed was just a rough sketch

Still think I would pass. Don't think it's worth it when Beleskey is off the books after next season and I have to think someone would take smith at 50% if not this season/offseason, then definitely if he has 1 year left.

 

[NYR Viper]

Still think I would pass. Don't think it's worth it when Beleskey is off the books after next season and I have to think someone would take smith at 50% if not this season/offseason, then definitely if he has 1 year left.

Very fair. I think it will be more difficult to move him no matter what they do but that's just me.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don't think you know much about that. I would be surprised if his agent hasn't been updated, if they have a plan. Oster did tweet @KvatHockey that he will not comment on contract talks, nor will Zucc.

If there were talks, we would have heard about it.

 

[GAGLine]

But Florida seems to actually have a trade partner for Brassard. Columbus wants his contract.

Edit: Nevermind. I saw your other post.

 

[GAGLine]

Whoops I misread, I thought you were saying Beleskey and Smith for Brassard. But the same point applies- doesn't Columbus/Torts still value Dubinsky?

Where are you getting that it's backloaded? According to CapFriendly, his salary is 5.85 mil in each year of the contract. The buyout wouldn't be bad, but not as good if it were actually backloaded.

 

[LORDE]

Would anyone trade Brendan Smith + Mat Beleskey for Brandon Dubinsky?

Doesn’t help the future really... but yes, I guess. Why would Columbus do that?

 

[Gardner McKay]

I know I discussed Kreider V Duchene returns with someone a few days ago. I wonder how Kreider compares?

 

[mike14]

I know I discussed Kreider V Duchene returns with someone a few days ago. I wonder how Kreider compares?

Player Isolate (for Edgar) Kreider

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

I know I discussed Kreider V Duchene returns with someone a few days ago. I wonder how Kreider compares?

How does anyone consider Kreider in the same company as these guys?

Kreider in undoubtedly his best year 39 pts in 51 gp

Duchene 48 pts in 43 gp

Stone 51 pts in 52 gp

By just about every scoring metric Kreider isn't in their league.

Now you're going to tell me something about toughness, creating space, and speed and how that gives bigger impact than just scoring.

 

[duhmetreE]

What the hell am I looking at

 

[RGY]

 

[duhmetreE]

How does anyone consider Kreider in the same company as these guys?

Kreider in undoubtedly his best year 39 pts in 51 gp

Duchene 48 pts in 43 gp

Stone 51 pts in 52 gp

By just about every scoring metric Kreider isn't in their league.

Now you're going to tell me something about toughness, creating space, and speed and how that gives bigger impact than just scoring.

I really like Duchene as a player, he probably has one of the best wristshots in the game.. Duchene would be a great fit for this team, at the right price but he's wanting atleast $9Mper.. That's where things get shaky.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

I really like Duchene as a player.. I think a player like Duchene would be a great fit for this team, at the right price but he's wanting atleast $9Mper.. That's where things get shaky.

Hes not right for us at this point in time... I was more talking about comparing potential trade returns for those guys

 

[NYR Viper]

I really like Stone, not sure he gets that crazy next contract others may be receiving as well (see Duchene)

 

[Kovalev27]

Who on earth would take seabrook or Keith at this point??

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Rangers dropped the ball a little for the 25th anniversary night which is Friday the 8th. Now i'm certain that they will do a great job with the presentation, and it will be a special night with the entire team present, minus Karpotsov of course. The one thing the dropped the ball on. The cup won't be there. Don;t ask me how i know. So prior to they will do a little segment with the cup and a few players, to make it look like it was in the house, but...It's not. Cup will be up in Canada that day elsewhere. That would have been amazing seeing Mess and company with it on the ice. Rangers always do an amazing job with these tributes however so im sure it will be a really good night.

The only time I’d want the cup in the house is the next time the Rangers win it. I’m tired of celebrating 94. 25 years ago. Good Christ that was a long time.

 

[duhmetreE]

Hes not right for us at this point in time... I was more talking about comparing potential trade returns for those guys

One's a UFA and will command twice the cap as Kreider? Kreider is real valuable at $4.65M? Theoretically 2 cup runs with that.

That's a gigantic difference in value.

Either way, I wouldn't trade Kreider unless a player like Hughes or Kakko are implicated

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Stone is a fabulous player.

I worry about how he will age.

 

[duhmetreE]

If this does become the plan and it does come to fruition, it would be tantamount to what the Yankees pulled off in 2016, when they sent Aroldis Chapman to the Cubs for a passel of young assets including Gleyber Torres before signing the elite lefty closer as a free agent the following offseason. Thus, ideally, the path to contention would accelerate within the rebuild by “retaining” core pieces Hayes and Zuccarello but reintroducing them into an organization bolstered by their departures.

I see this happening more and more... Zucc is more likely than Hayes for obvious reasons.

 

[Alluckks]

One of my concerns with the current NHL landscape, and it's been pointed out in another post/thread, is that a lot of the offensive talent in the league is stacked.

In other words, your high scorers are playing with other high scores or teams with multiple top offensive weapons. Obviously talent playing with talent can be a multiplier.

But there's a bit of hesitation on my part with going out and acquiring players and expecting them to do the same with less.

So when we look at numbers for guys in Tampa, or Toronto, or other teams, I wonder just how much of decline we're looking at in an environment where they are carrying a major portion of the load, as opposed to carrying a share of the load.

This has been a thing with the Rangers for a long time - people think it is just New York atmosphere, or declining with age, but that point you address here is a major part of it as well that often goes unmentioned.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

What the hell am I looking at

Looks like we’re getting a lot of snow

 

[Irishguy42]

What the hell am I looking at

Shot heatmaps for/against, ranging from dark red to dark purple-ish (PP ranges from dark pink to dark green).

 

[Gardner McKay]

How does anyone consider Kreider in the same company as these guys?

Kreider in undoubtedly his best year 39 pts in 51 gp

Duchene 48 pts in 43 gp

Stone 51 pts in 52 gp

By just about every scoring metric Kreider isn't in their league.

Now you're going to tell me something about toughness, creating space, and speed and how that gives bigger impact than just scoring.

Kreider is on a cheap contract, with an extra year. Whoever gets Stone/Duchene may only get them for this playoff run. Not to mention, they carry significantly larger cap hits than Kreider. I think you may be underestimating how much value that carries. Not to mention, those two have **** all for playoff experience with Duchene at 8 games and Stone at 27. Kreider has 77. His production over 77 games and Stones in 27 games are nearly identical. Kreider is a guy built for playoff hockey. There is a reason why Nash was never a playoff scoring monster, his game didn't translate well into the PO's where space is tighter and the game is faster.

If the Rangers retained even 30% of Kreiders contract, a team is getting a 1st line winger for 2 playoff runs for 3 million bucks.