Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXV - Time to say Goodbye

[Machinehead]

I’m a little late to the party here but I don’t get this trade from Pittsburgh’s perspective. Bjugstad has been a disappointment in Florida and despite his size, he’s not an imposing presence in the middle. McCann is a piece of furniture. Guessing Rutherford felt he couldn’t trade another first round pick or premium prospect so he bought in the discount aisle. I’m surprised because I thought (think) this year could be the last chance for the Penguins for a deep run. Even though Brass hasn’t had a good year, he’s still the best player in the trade.

I could see it as a straight swap, but Pittsburgh added.

The team getting the best player in the deal is not supposed to receive an add.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

That'd be great

No it woulsn't, it'd depreciate the value immensely.

 

[ETTER DE]

"All things Boston." New York is like the metropolis of the world. Rangers should attract the best talents, players and coaches from every corner of the world. Not mainly from New England. This probably shows Gortons limitations. Boston is what he knows best. And if Rangers want to take part in an internationally growt in sports media rights and merchandise sales they better start to think differently. (Look to English Premier league.)
"Like the castle in its corner In a medieval game I foresee terrible trouble And I stay here just the same"

 

[bobbop]

So we've moved on to Boston. I can’t see a Kreider trade without a premium piece coming back and I can’t see the Bruins removing a key piece from this team right now. Like anyone else here I can easily put together a Hayes trade. To me the key guy I’d want is Vaakanainen. Beyond that, the Bruins have a lot of good, not great prospects.

 

[bobbop]

Perhaps the best news for the Rangers tonight is that Dallas beat the Wild. Dallas is getting back into serious let’s make a move range. They desperately need secondary scoring. They also need cap help. Hello GMJG.

 

[bobbop]

I could see it as a straight swap, but Pittsburgh added.

The team getting the best player in the deal is not supposed to receive an add.

I agree. If you asked me to speculate on a Florida-Pittsburgh trade, I would have never came up with this.

 

[egelband]

The thing is, players value is generally established around the league. Teams may not want to pay the price, which is fine. And when a player’s value is low, sellers may prefer to hold the player. But I believe the price is fairly well-understood.
Like, right now, a guy like Puljujarvi’s price is very low. That doesn’t mean Edmonton will trade him at a low price. They may just want to ride it out and see how it goes. But opposing GMs won’t be handing over a high pick and/or a prospect for him. Doubt he gets moved unless it’s in a bigger deal.

 

[Alluckks]

Jesper Fast has term
Namestnikov has term
Vesey has term

All of those make a lot more sense than Kreider going to Boston considering the realistic options of what would be coming back

 

[Ola]

Please let the player with term be Skjei.

Shatty

 

[aufheben]

I’m a little late to the party here but I don’t get this trade from Pittsburgh’s perspective. Bjugstad has been a disappointment in Florida and despite his size, he’s not an imposing presence in the middle. McCann is a piece of furniture. Guessing Rutherford felt he couldn’t trade another first round pick or premium prospect so he bought in the discount aisle. I’m surprised because I thought (think) this year could be the last chance for the Penguins for a deep run. Even though Brass hasn’t had a good year, he’s still the best player in the trade.

I was surprised to learn that Pittsburgh still has their next three 1st round picks.

 

[cheech70]

My ask would be Studnicka, Vaakanainen, Frederic, and their 1st this year for Hayes and Kreider

I would add Zuke for that ..There is there second line

 

[Vitto79]

Jesper Fast has term
Namestnikov has term
Vesey has term

All of those make a lot more sense than Kreider going to Boston considering the realistic options of what would be coming back

Yep you sign Kreider too, maybe Fast

Vesey and Names go this deadline if they get good desks .... if not it’s UFAs only

I think they pull off one non ufa trade

 

[Bruin4]

Long time Bruin fan here checking out some of your guys thoughts on a possible deal between the two teams, and some of you here severely under-rate Brandon Carlo. I personally wouldn't deal him and I don't think Sweeney every would unless he's part of a deal for a premier young Center.

He's been the Bruins best defenseman this season as he's developed into an absolute stud/shutdown defenseman. He's not going to give you much offense, but he isn't shy of picking his spots when he jumps into the play. I'm thinking eventually he'll become a 30-40 point defenseman but defensively alone,there isn't many better.

As far as are prospects go. Studnicka(c) and Vaak(D) are at the head of the Class and Lauzon(D) & Frederic(C) would be just a notch below. Lauzon is a tough stay home type as well but also has some offensive upside. Those four will most diffidently/should have long NHL careers

Frederic was just got called up and has quickly became a fan favorite, so I don't see Sweeney moving him. Of course there's the Donatos,Bjork and Cehlarik of the worlds who still could blossom into pretty good NHL players. There's also Zach Senyshyn the controversial first round pick back in the 2015 draft. He can absolutely fly and for those who watch him on a regular basis down in Providense, say his game is coming around and he uses his speed and size well as far as driving to the net.

Defensively along with Vaak and Lauzon there' former 1st round pick Jakob Zboril and Axel Anderson last years 2nd round, who should develop into NHL defenseman.

The Bruins do have two really good goalie prospects in Jeremy Swayman (Maine/NCAA)) and Kyle Keyser(Oshawa/OHL).

I'm not going to make any proposals, but I just thought i'd give you guys a rundown of some of the Bruins players/prospects,who maybe coming your way if Sweeney and Gordon become trade buddies again.

PS: Forgot to mention Jacob Forsbacka Karlsson (JFK) he's a young center who just spent some time in Boston (28 games)before getting demoted back down to the A. He showed signs of promise and was getting better and adjusting to the style of play in the NHL.

I would think his ceiling is as a 2nd line Center but more than likely he'll settle in as a 3rd liner.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Have there been any rumors tying Kreider to Boston? Or just speculation?

 

[DutchShamrock]

Gotta love getting long lists of untouchable players when some of our best assets are in the mix. "We're just on a cup run here, so I don't see why you should get a crack at our 5th best prospect for your #1 trade chip."

 

[True Blue]

To me the key guy I’d want is Vaakanainen. Beyond that, the Bruins have a lot of good, not great prospects.

Then they are not a partner. If someone wants Krieder, has to be at least 1 first rounder, and two prospects. One of which is the crown jewel.

I have said it many times. But I would be floored if Krieder is traded. That said, there IS a Godfather type of deal.

 

[bobbop]

We have to get square with the understanding that at the trade deadline, contending teams want to add to the big club, not subtract. Some of the veteran players mentioned here (e.g. McAvoy, Carlo, Trouba) would be fair game in the offseason but not now. Look at the history of the trade deadline and most of the deals made are for immediate help in exchange for futures of some kind.

 

[LORDE]

Then they are not a partner. If someone wants Krieder, has to be at least 1 first rounder, and two prospects. One of which is the crown jewel.

I have said it many times. But I would be floored if Krieder is traded. That said, there IS a Godfather type of deal.

This.

QUALITY is the key word. No one is getting Kreider for their 5th best, 9th best prospect and permanent AHL fodder.

 

[True Blue]

Bruins ain't gonna do the hayes thing again. Left a very sour taste .

1) Bruins do not have the resources to get Kreider.

2) You are not going to trade for Hayes based on his brother? Really?

 

[DutchShamrock]

We have to get square with the understanding that at the trade deadline, contending teams want to add to the big club, not subtract. Some of the veteran players mentioned here (e.g. McAvoy, Carlo, Trouba) would be fair game in the offseason but not now. Look at the history of the trade deadline and most of the deals made are for immediate help in exchange for futures of some kind.

Right, which is why its absurd to suggest that, while these players on the roster are untouchable because of this run, you can't have these top assets not currently here because that's our future.

This is the hockey version of mansplaining (nice try Pierre). No one should come to this franchise and explain what assets are on the table during contention. We are all too familiar with paying the price.

 

[Mikos87]

I’m a little late to the party here but I don’t get this trade from Pittsburgh’s perspective. Bjugstad has been a disappointment in Florida and despite his size, he’s not an imposing presence in the middle. McCann is a piece of furniture. Guessing Rutherford felt he couldn’t trade another first round pick or premium prospect so he bought in the discount aisle. I’m surprised because I thought (think) this year could be the last chance for the Penguins for a deep run. Even though Brass hasn’t had a good year, he’s still the best player in the trade.

The Rangers really liked Bjugstad in the 2010 draft. He had a couple of really good seasons sprinkled in with a lot of inconsistency. Biggest issue with his production is that he's only produced offensively when he's playing with a better offensive set of forwards to get to 35-45 points. If he doesn't get those minutes, he's a glorified checker that isn't always there. IMO he can thrive next to Malkin, but PIT is going to use him in the middle. Maybe he plays with Kessel, but Nick has a tricky pair of mitts that is rarely on display.

PIT wanted cost certainty and got upside with both players. McCann is a center version of Jim Vesey, except he takes more nights off. It will be interesting to see how things unfold with PIT. If Schultz is back to where he can be, then their defense is in pretty good shape. Petersson has been a really good pick up for them.

Rutheford picked up two middle six forwards that are relatively cheap in Pearson and Bjugstad for what they can potentially provide. It's great management by him imo... because PIT hasn't done a great job of building a farm at all. They are going to get zilch from their system this year or next outside of Jarry.

 

[Mikos87]

Then they are not a partner. If someone wants Krieder, has to be at least 1 first rounder, and two prospects. One of which is the crown jewel.

I have said it many times. But I would be floored if Krieder is traded. That said, there IS a Godfather type of deal.

I don't think you get two ace prospects with that set up. But Boston has cap space next year to absorb both Hayes and Kreider, and re-sign Hayes. I agree that there is that Godfather deal to be made. Push Boston over the top, but get a Duchene like return with both Hayes and Kreider. 4 prospects, multiple picks. I'm not sure if BOS would sign up for that since they've been accumulating assets over the last several years, but outside of a few guys, they haven't had material contributions from others.

We have to get square with the understanding that at the trade deadline, contending teams want to add to the big club, not subtract. Some of the veteran players mentioned here (e.g. McAvoy, Carlo, Trouba) would be fair game in the offseason but not now. Look at the history of the trade deadline and most of the deals made are for immediate help in exchange for futures of some kind.

QFT. 100% true. The Rangers could have had Rick Nash at the 2012 deadline. Price was Dubi, Artie/Miller, Erixson, 1st and 2nd. The Rangers did not want to disrupt their current roster, or move Miller at the time. Disrupting their roster was a no-no at the deadline. Contending teams don't make moves like that deadline, especially from big minute eaters. Like you said, they add.

Right, which is why its absurd to suggest that, while these players on the roster are untouchable because of this run, you can't have these top assets not currently here because that's our future.

This is the hockey version of mansplaining (nice try Pierre). No one should come to this franchise and explain what assets are on the table during contention. We are all too familiar with paying the price.

Sometimes overpaying. The Rangers lost 6 games in the 2014 run, OT or late with John Moore out there. They weren't going to go into the 2015 run with him. Outside of that, you don't often see a roster player moved at the deadline from a contender. Not saying it doesn't happen, it's usually a bottom unit guy if it does.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I think if you trade Kreider at or before the deadline your getting futures, a teams top 3 prospect, a B prospect and a #1.

If you trade him at the draft or in the summer it's likely something like a hockey trade. May be if the Rangers allow a negotiation window he nets a McAvoy type player in a 1 for 1 trade or small adds on either side.

I'm not sure the Rangers get a top 5 or 6 pick in a 1 for 1 deal for Kreider at the draft.

 

[haohmaru]

I don't think the player with term is Kreider, I think it's Shattenkirk.

Hayes & Shattenkirk would require a staggering amount of assets I would think. It's not a move I'd make if I were Boston.

 

[DutchShamrock]

I think its Fast. Won't break the bank, fits the playoff type of role player, "little things" guy that always seems to be a big addition in hindsight.