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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXIX

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This team will fall in the standings once they trade Hayes and Zucc. The forward depth will be non existent compared to what it is now which is barely existent. Buch/Chytil will go to the top line with Zib/Kreider.

Hank will get his rest down the stretch to prepare for next season with Shesty as the tandem.

I agree with @eco's bones that the Rangers have every intention of icing a competitive roster next year. I can see them buying out/moving Smith. Maybe moving Nams at the TDL or Draft. Keeping Strome. Maybe move Vesey. Signing 2-3 of Hayes/Zucc/Panarin/Stone/EK/defenseman.

Especially if they fall into the 2nd pick in the draft.
 
RGY said:
This team will fall in the standings once they trade Hayes and Zucc. The forward depth will be non existent compared to what it is now which is barely existent. Buch/Chytil will go to the top line with Zib/Kreider.

Hank will get his rest down the stretch to prepare for next season with Shesty as the tandem.

I agree with @eco's bones that the Rangers have every intention of icing a competitive roster next year. I can see them buying out/moving Smith. Maybe moving Nams at the TDL or Draft. Keeping Strome. Maybe move Vesey. Signing 2-3 of Hayes/Zucc/Panarin/Stone/EK/defenseman.

Especially if they fall into the 2nd pick in the draft.
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Not sure they buy out Smith.
 
NYR Viper said:
Will he be $7m effective?
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I mean thats the big debate.

That number is a based off of Evander Kane. I dont think he is on par with Kane. I also think he loves it here, can be the Captain here. And i think you can get him at 6-7 years at $6-6.5 million aav. Does that move the needle for some? People talk as if he is guaranteed to get $7 million aav. The fact that he really hasnt broken out until this year plays in our favor. But he has found his centerman in Zibanejad that can be a great tandem for the next 3-4 years at least. I could live with Kreider in years 5-7 of the contract then, and thats with the assumption he is a complete shell of his former self and is ineffective. Still think he will have value in those 5-7 years. Not to mention the Salary Cap ceiling has been going up. The AAV value he signs for today may look like a good deal in just 3-4 years as AAV salaries increase across the league.
 
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SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
Not sure they buy out Smith.
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Its no guarantee. Maybe the move him with money retained. He really has not been terrible. I wouldnt mind keeping him as our 6/7 option so long as we dont block the possible promotions of Lindgren/Hajek/Tarmo/Lundkvist. I think Lundkvist considers coming over but likely stays one more year in Sweden, all depends on the camp he has here.

I think we should look to move Pionk. I dont see a long term future here with him.

Defenseman for next year imo:

Shatty, Skjei, Staal, ADA

2 spots open imo. Pionk could compete for one as well as Smith. Maybe both stay but Lindgren wins a spot and Hajek finally gets going and pushes out Pionk during next season.

Plus maybe they add a free agent defenseman.
 
I'm thinking that Duchene is probably a trade and extend. Not sure when or if Nashville (who I think it will be) will have tagging issues, yet I assume if he is traded some extension has been worked out.

Which is where the Rangers should be looking for Hayes too. He'd be worth more extended, plus the trading team may have to send cap hits back, which should also increase the value coming back.

Zucc I'm not sure a trading team would be looking to extend him right off the bat. If they are really looking at 2nd and B prospect I am hoping they are considering adding to him and/or taking back some cap to get a better return.

McQuaid has to be traded before the next game, right? I don't need to see him block another shot, get in a fight, etc for the Rangers.
 
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Pawnee Rangers said:
Why wouldn't he be? At worst, he'd be the teams 2nd line LW for the next 5, 6 years, plus PP. You think a 32 year old Kreider can't score 25 goals? And who knows what the cap will be 6 years from now.
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Well, he technically has only surpassed 25G once in his career, although he's at 24 for the year now so it'll be twice.
 
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I'm thinking that Duchene is probably a trade and extend. Not sure when or if Nashville (who I think it wil be will tagging issues, yet I assume if he is traded some extension has been worked out.

Which is where the Rangers should be looking for Hayes too. He'd be worth more extended, plus the trading team may have to send cap hits back, which should also increase the value coming back.

Zucc I'm not sure a trading team would be looking to extend him right off the bat. If they are really looking at 2nd and B prospect I am hoping they are considering adding to him and/or taking back some cap to get a better return.

McQuaid has to be traded before the next game, right? I don't need to see him block another shot, get in a fight, etc for the Rangers.
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Its tough at this point to complete a trade and extension. Duchene might do it because the rumor is he is interested in signing with NSH anyway. Hayes may really want to come back to NYR after the year. No rumor of where he is interested in going. I wouldnt blurr the lines of negotiations trying to find a team he would extend with and determine the proper return.
 
RGY said:
This team will fall in the standings once they trade Hayes and Zucc. The forward depth will be non existent compared to what it is now which is barely existent. Buch/Chytil will go to the top line with Zib/Kreider.

Hank will get his rest down the stretch to prepare for next season with Shesty as the tandem.

I agree with @eco's bones that the Rangers have every intention of icing a competitive roster next year. I can see them buying out/moving Smith. Maybe moving Nams at the TDL or Draft. Keeping Strome. Maybe move Vesey. Signing 2-3 of Hayes/Zucc/Panarin/Stone/EK/defenseman.

Especially if they fall into the 2nd pick in the draft.
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Excellent way to ensure that you stay mediocre.
 
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Reading Webster's posts always brings a smile to my face haha.

Gorton really has to knock these trades out of the water. This team is not losing enough, and it's a bit frustrating. I'm sure they'll lose more after the deadline, but the damage has been done already. I doubt Kreider is traded unless it's a good hockey deal. Kreider and Zbad are a good experienced duo to rebuild around, and that's how I believe management sees it as well. I'm more scared of Zbad's production dropping than Kreider's. Guy has had a lot of concussions in his history so who knows how the next one will affect him.

I feel Hayes, Zucc, and McQuaid have to go for the rebuild, and hopefully Gorton can work some kind of magic for Smith. We'll have another mediocre 1st round pick this year, and need these guys moved to increase our chances at the draft. Hayes is good, but not good enough for the money he'll most likely be looking for to resign him.

Get it done Gorts.
 
Kupo said:
Well, he technically has only surpassed 25G once in his career, although he's at 24 for the year now so it'll be twice.
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Fine, 22 goals as the team's 2nd line LW 5 years from now. On top of all the other things he brings to the table. People are concerned about him getting 7 million per year but don't acknowledge it will probably be a smaller percentage of the cap. I don't think you should trade your 2nd best forward, because he's OMG 28, unless the offer is just too good to refuse.

I understand the need to trade guys this season but you also need to keep your best players. The Rangers are never going to rip it down to the studs and purposely field an awful team. Nor should they. Kreider is a sure thing for at least another 5 years. Can you say the same about the pick they get if they move him? Having an extra mid to late first round pick is great. You might get your Erik Karlson or you might get Peter Holland.
 
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Pawnee Rangers said:
Fine, 22 goals as the team's 2nd line LW 5 years from now. On top of all the other things he brings to the table. People are concerned about him getting 7 million per year but don't acknowledge it will probably be a smaller percentage of the cap. I don't think you should trade your 2nd best forward, because he's OMG 28, unless the offer is just too good to refuse.

I understand the need to trade guys this season but you also need to keep your best players. The Rangers are never going to rip it down to the studs and purposely field an awful team. Nor should they. Kreider is a sure thing for at least another 5 years. Can you say the same about the pick they get if they move him? Having an extra mid to late first round pick is great. You might get your Erik Karlson or you might get Peter Holland.
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I ask this question not because I am pro trading Kreider right now, but who is the more impactful player, McDonagh or Kreider? For me, it's easily McDonagh. The Rangers traded McDonagh in lieu of re-signing him long term which begins at 30 years old. The Rangers would be re-signing Kreider to a long-term contract that begins at 29.
 
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Pawnee Rangers said:
And there have been plenty of guys contributing at age 32. It goes both ways.
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This is true, but I guess we have to look at the more recent trends throughout the league. I would say the more recent trends suggest that we are more likely to see younger players dominate than the older guys who were signed for their UFA years. Again, that's a general comment, but just because there are exceptions doesn't make it not the rule.
 
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I ask this question not because I am pro trading Kreider right now, but who is the more impactful player, McDonagh or Kreider? For me, it's easily McDonagh. The Rangers traded McDonagh in lieu of re-signing him long term which begins at 30 years old. The Rangers would be re-signing Kreider to a long-term contract that begins at 29.
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McDonagh also has a injury history that Kreider doesn’t have, and McDonagh hasn’t been the same player since 2013-4. Kreider, OTOH, is at or near his peak right now, and may have a few similar years in front of him.
 
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jas said:
McDonagh also has a injury history that Kreider doesn’t have, and McDonagh hasn’t been the same player since 2013-4. Kreider, OTOH, is at or near his peak right now, and may have a few similar years in front of him.
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This may be true, however Kreider had the blood clot issue. I would venture a guess that McDonagh's body has seen more physical abuse than Kreider's has just on the basis of defense vs forward as far as shot blocking, etc.

Again, I'm not saying I would trade him, but IF Gorton traded him I could see the thought process.
 
NYR Viper said:
I ask this question not because I am pro trading Kreider right now, but who is the more impactful player, McDonagh or Kreider? For me, it's easily McDonagh. The Rangers traded McDonagh in lieu of re-signing him long term which begins at 30 years old. The Rangers would be re-signing Kreider to a long-term contract that begins at 29.
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To start, they play different positions and McDonagh had way more wear and tear on his body than Kreider does at this age. Maybe they were hesitant to pay McDonagh what he wanted on his next contract because of that. Maybe he was a shitty captain and they felt they needed to change the culture. There's countless reasons why you would handle 2 guys the same age differently.
 
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