Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXIII

[Avery16]

Why was it so important to get rid of him?

This topic has been beat to death. Search the archives.

 

[Avery16]

We could have moved Callahan elsewhere and kept our 1st and 2nd.

You’re forgetting his insane and public contract demands. No one wanted to negotiate with that, and he was a high risk to bolt via UFA no matter who traded for him. He shot his value to try to force our hand, and it cost us in a contention year. Benedict Callahan.

 

[MetalJaws]

Yes or No?

Zib, Pionk and 2 2019 2nd's to Colorado for Makar and Ottawas Unprotected 1st?

Zucc and Names to Dallas (some $ retained) for Jason Robertson and a 1st?

McQuaid to Toronto for a 4th?

Hayes to the Jets for Roslovic and a 1st?

 

[Gardner McKay]

Is Sustr slow?

No. Not even on his best day he isn't slow. It isn't fair to the word slow. He is so far beyond slow that a proper word hasn't been created yet to describe his complete and utter lack of mobility and speed.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Why was it so important to get rid of him?

Because he wanted a huge contract that was always going to be a disaster?

I like the guy but he was the definition of overrating hometown players.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

And then made the team worse and likely not have made the SCF.

Ok. We could have moved Callahan for assets, and then gone after a different player for our Run.

But, I hear where you're coming from though. MSL was huge for us. The emotional spike the team had once his mother passed away was evident.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Yes or No?

Zib, Pionk and 2 2019 2nd's to Colorado for Makar and Ottawas Unprotected 1st? Where do I sign?

Zucc and Names to Dallas (some $ retained) for Jason Robertson and a 1st? Don't know enough about Robertson

McQuaid to Toronto for a 4th? A 3rd.

Hayes to the Jets for Roslovic and a 1st? Maybe

Answers next to your question.

I love Zib but unless I missed something, Makar is likely going to be a legit top-2 defensemen, top-4 at worst and Ottawa's pick is almost guaranteed to be a top 5 pick.

 

[SA16]

I would say the other team rejects all four of those offers.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

This topic has been beat to death. Search the archives.

Dynamite response.

You’re forgetting his insane and public contract demands. No one wanted to negotiate with that, and he was a high risk to bolt via UFA no matter who traded for him. He shot his value to try to force our hand, and it cost us in a contention year. Benedict Callahan.

Aw....I was getting excited about searching the archives.

 

[MetalJaws]

Answers next to your question.

I love Zib but unless I missed something, Makar is likely going to be a legit top-2 defensemen, top-4 at worst and Ottawa's pick is almost guaranteed to be a top 5 pick.

Thanks for playing, super bored at work! Could you f***in imagine 2 top 5 picks!

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Why was it so important to get rid of him?

The alternative would have been to extend him or let him walk.

Both would have been bad.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Because he wanted a huge contract that was always going to be a disaster?

I like the guy but he was the definition of overrating hometown players.

The alternative would have been to extend him or let him walk.

Both would have been bad.

But they could have found another deal for futures.....

 

[MetalJaws]

I would say the other team rejects all four of those offers.

Might need a little sweetening for some of them, but I don't think any of them are all that far off. It was more of a would you if it was on the table.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Ok. We could have moved Callahan for assets, and then gone after a different player for our Run.

But, I hear where you're coming from though. MSL was huge for us. The emotional spike the team had once his mother passed away was evident.

I completely agree. The only reason the Rangers made it to the finals was because of the passing of his mother. They were down 3-1 in the series to Pittsburgh. They looked dead to rights. They used that as a rally. They won games 5 and 7 on the road.

 

[NYR Viper]

Spooner to AHL

 

[True Blue]

You’re forgetting his insane and public contract demands. No one wanted to negotiate with that, and he was a high risk to bolt via UFA no matter who traded for him. He shot his value to try to force our hand, and it cost us in a contention year. Benedict Callahan.

Shocker. A player who wants to maximize his bottom line.

Callahan continued to play hard, despite the hoopla. The MSL trade was awful. They could have peddled Callahan and not given up a fortune for him.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

I completely agree. The only reason the Rangers made it to the finals was because of the passing of his mother. They were down 3-1 in the series to Pittsburgh. They looked dead to rights. They used that as a rally. They won games 5 and 7 on the road.

you know what else happened?

Kreider came back from injury

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

But they could have found another deal for futures.....

Maybe, but a trip to the finals>>> late 1st or 2nd's.

Plus they didn't sign him to that ridiculous extension.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Spooner to AHL

Highest paid AHL players at the moment:

Scott Darling: 4.75m
Ryan Spooner: 4m
Matt Beleskey: 4m
Sam Gagner: 3.5m
Matt Moulson: 3m
Mike Condon: 2.5m
Jan Rutta: 2.25m
David Schlemko: 1.85m

 

[Avery16]

Dynamite response.




Aw....I was getting excited about searching the archives.

I thought I could cliffs notes it for ya

 

[McSauer]

Shocker. A player who wants to maximize his bottom line.

Callahan continued to play hard, despite the hoopla. The MSL trade was awful. They could have peddled Callahan and not given up a fortune for him.

Uh, no.

He coasted that entire season, knowing he was in a contract year and trying to get hurt. Then he goes to the Olympics, starts putting his body on the line, blocking shots and playing like he used to. Then he comes back right before the deadline and continues his perimeter play.

From his ridiculous contract demands, to obviously self-hindered play to keep himself healthy in a contract year, I couldn't wait to get him off this team.

I wish I knew what team people were watching that season to say that Callahan was playing well/like his usual self. He handcuffed the team from day 1 that season. Good ****ing riddance, hope he never wins anything in this league.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Maybe, but a trip to the finals>>> late 1st or 2nd's.

Debatable.

Plus they didn't sign him to that ridiculous extension.

I don't think that anyone is suggestion they should have. But there were other choices besides trading him in the MSL deal, keeping him and then losing him at the end of the season or resign him to a ridiculous extension.

 

[BringBackLibertys]

Might need a little sweetening for some of them, but I don't think any of them are all that far off. It was more of a would you if it was on the table.

The first one is crazy far off. They have the number one pick in their hands with hughes on the table is how they HAVE to look at it. You trade that for nothing, forget the add. Stop thinking about it, I mean if the NYR had Ottawa's pick would you take Seguin for it? I would not.

 

[Edge]

I think what's more amazing than ever in today's NHL is the amount of players who absolutely fall off a cliff.

Take Spooner for example, yeah he was flawed. And everyone knew he was one of those guys who always teased his talent. But you could at least somewhat figure that he'd post his 35-40 points, slide around a little, drive you nuts with consistency, but chip in some points.

It's not like we're talking about a guy in his mid-30s whose best days are clearly behind him. You get that.

 

[NYR Viper]

I think what's more amazing than ever in today's NHL is the amount of players who absolutely fall off a cliff.

Take Spooner for example, yeah he was flawed. And everyone knew he was one of those guys who always teased his talent. But you could at least somewhat figure that he'd post his 35-40 points, slide around a little, drive you nuts with consistency, but chip in some points.

It's not like we're talking about a guy in his mid-30s whose best days are clearly behind him. You get that.

Sometimes I really wonder how much of this is about off-season training. I don't mean guys who don't train enough, I mean guys who concentrate on things that may hinder some of their overall game. For example, too much heavy squats for leg strength but not enough agility for quicker feet could have a negative effect on certain players, etc.

Because Spooner especially, should be able to put up 35-40 points pretty easily with his skillset.