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That sounds like a nice deal, keep in mind that Webster will also be included.
If it makes you feel better...I'd say Zucc goes to Edmonton as a rental for their 1st straight up. Then he will be back here in July.
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That sounds like a nice deal, keep in mind that Webster will also be included.
If it makes you feel better...I'd say Zucc goes to Edmonton as a rental for their 1st straight up. Then he will be back here in July.
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Ya’ll need to learn about the ignore function, I haven’t seen a Webster post in months. Makes a lot of threads read very oddly, though, I’ll say that.
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So it's officially trade our rentals and they'll re-sign on 7/1 season. Remember when Nash and Grabner were coming back?
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zuke goes for the best offer no matter how disappointing. we aren't keeping him
haohmaru
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haohmaru
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Staal needs to GTFO - at this point he's taking a spot from a young D and he's terrible out there. Any chance I get to move him, I go for it. What are you paying Kreider in a year? He keeps up like this and it's going to be north of 6M/yr. That work for you? Zibs is good for me long term. Fast too. Shattenkirk is going to get shopped as long as this team isn't contending.
By my count that's Hank, Zibs, and Fast in a year+ from now, most likely. Not enough. Not saying it has to be Zuccarello, but saying it should be if the offers for him suck.
Ghost of jas
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I have no problem giving Kreider $7 million per for six years.
By your logic, Staal needs to stay.
He’s been here forever, is a leader in the locker room and actually over came a career threatening injury.
Also I’d rather have kreider at 7+ than zucc at all but that’s just me.
haohmaru
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No, by my logic Staal sucks, his contract is an albatross, and his NMC makes him impossible to trade. The antithesis of what Zuccarello is - a productive player on a fair contract without any full or partial NMC's. Not sure how you can even equate the two. Zuccarello's play and production pre-injury and post-injury are pretty similar. Staal went from a viable 3/4 to a shell of himself. Not comparable in the least.
Trading Zuccs will get you assets back. Trading Staal will cost you something.
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That is also why despite being no fault of Chytils....that not person said or laid one hand on him or touched Lundqvist because they KNEW who they would have to answer to for it . Without McQuaid...we would have been on the wrong end of lord knows what from a vengeful Bruin club . Yes...I know the hit was not the intention of Chytil....and guys know it too....but they still want some payback . McQuaid with his presence brought that to a quick halt . Guy is a WINNER ! One more year for him back here is OK in my books....not like we will be making a Cup run so he helps with the tank and is entertaining and allows some room for some kids to grow out there . Real hockey people know these things .
I always feel like George’s dad when I make trade and resign proposals. When he looks up at the sky and say something, I’ve never managed hear what it is. Not seniority now but something like it. Please just do it once!!!!
Ghost of jas
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I haven’t kept track — but I assume that nobody get bad CF when Pionk is out, right?
If someone still get bad CF there are some posters here who got some explaining to do...
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That’s kind of my point and I think the point many others are trying to make in here.
Staal sucks and we can’t move him, that I agree with.
Re-signing zucc would give you another staal. He isn’t as bad as he was earlier in the year, but he isn’t as good as he’s been lately either (where his production has been crazy opportunistic.)
He isn’t going to take a sweetheart deal and I’m not sure such thing exists for him at this point unless he goes year to year, which isn’t happening.
LORDE
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We are rebuilding... we aren't letting our UFAs go for nothing. We are accumulating picks and assets, not resigning anyone because they were nice players here.
Omg omg omg, whenever Pionk has been out it seems like someone else just assumed his body and posted crappy CF instead, often so bad that it’s hard to tell the difference between the CF% column and the ice time column. McQuaids ingame cf% looks like an ECG chart comparing games that he played without Pionk being dressed and with Pionk being dressed.
This is insane because someone on twitter said that usage don’t matter at all.
DanielBrassard
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ADA and Staal have gotten the tough usage since Pionk went down and are 1st and 3rd in CF% on the team.Omg omg omg, whenever Pionk has been out it seems like someone else just assumed his body and posted crappy CF instead, often so bad that it’s hard to tell the difference between the CF% column and the ice time column. McQuaids ingame cf% looks like an ECG chart comparing games that he played without Pionk being dressed and with Pionk being dressed.
This is insane because someone on twitter said that usage don’t matter at all.
SA16
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Do your usage stats take into account that the first/last 10 seconds of a shift are often not representative of the actual usage?
DanielBrassard
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You are right, but it’s a catch 22 situation. EDM will never deal Pulju for the same reason they are ruining him. They think it’s more value in keeping him hoping that he will ‘get it’ than what they can get for him in a trade, not realizing that they need to develop a kid to make him a player. And that they suck so much and have so little support that they never can develop him — or any other kid they have now and in the future that doesn’t have a perfect spot sitting and waiting for them.
If you develop like a Chris Kreider like you have Pulju everyone would claim that you are INSANE. But then people thinking like EDM would counter — Kreider wasn’t a 3rd overall pick like Pulju. The problem is that the only kids you can think like that about is more or less someone like McDavid. Certainly not someone like Pulju, Nolan Patrick, even Matthews probably and co. These kids need a ton of support.
Pulju compares really well to Jonathan Drouin in this regard. Another 3OA pick. Many don’t think that a team can ruin a player. Yzerman was patient with Drouin. Left him in juniors a year. Then up and down the NHL/AHL for a couple of years. Easing him in, holding him back and only playing him in situations he couldn’t fail in. Eventually Drouin thought he was held back too much and asked out, but that is another issue. EDM would have yanked him out of the CHL year 1 and given him top minutes from the start, then reduced his ice time when he failed to deliver gradually down to zero, also of course ruining his confidence . Then they would have kept him in on a small role on an extremely awful team for 3-4 years before losing him for nothing. They did the same with Yaks.
Drouin is an OK top 6 player for MTL. Not more not less. I saw him the other night, there isn’t much room for error with a kid like that, he was brought in the right way, with patience and mostly with very good support when he played. Kept his confidence up. Who knows where he is today if he is picked by EDM that does the complete opposite with him.
Today, in 2019, a kid is a kid no matter where he is picked. Unless he is named McDavid. So Puljus value can only go up and it would be a very good move to get him. But EDM will be all about ‘his value cannot go down so let’s keep him’. Chia de facto wanted to give Lucic a chance to turn it around this season. Look at Lucic in the NHL last season and ask yourself — is there any chance whatsoever that this guy can ‘turn it around’ and even remotely start to perform like a high paid player. The answer can not be anything else than a no. The fact that Chia thought that it was worth a shot says all you need to know about him.
No way a rental Zuuc, even if Rangers retain and takeTalbot, is worth that. That 1st round pick can easily be a top ten pick. If Edmonton trade this pick it has to be for a player at least a couple of years younger and with term.
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