Lol. No, none of that please. Sounds like you have relegated us to two options. Which sounds like "fantasyland" to me. You can offer Zibs 2-4 years. If he doesn't like it he can go play elsewhere.
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Lol. No, none of that please. Sounds like you have relegated us to two options. Which sounds like "fantasyland" to me. You can offer Zibs 2-4 years. If he doesn't like it he can go play elsewhere.
Ok. Then maybe let him walk/? Like I said. But you are still pretending you know what he wants. FULL STOP. So right now, this is ALL "fantasyland".
And if Couturier or Barkov go to Free Agency, I would prefer either of them to Zibs right now. Hertl, Bergeron also possibilities. This is just next offseason.
That definitely makes a lot of sense! Love the option where we wind up with #1C Chytil. Will be a real blast.
2-4 years. Lol. I just cant understand the cognitive dissonance that allows people to pursue this line of thinking. In fact, if the Rangers did offer something like that, it'd be a worse case scenario insult.
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In 2016 the LA kings gave a 29 year old Anze Kopitar a 8x 10 million contract. The summer before, the Hawks re-signed 27 year old Jonathan Toews to a 8x10.5 million contract.
Neither of those deal has been a poor one for the team in question, because each club is more or less re-building now at the ass end of the contracts.
Neither of those deal has been a poor one for the team in question, because each club is more or less re-building now at the ass end of the contracts.
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I would rather have Kopitar at 28 or Toews at 27 than Zibs at 29. While I like Zibs, I don't consider him the class of either of those players.
"Rumor" being the key word there. How exactly is that going to help me ? I mean I COULD. But do I really have to? All I will know at the end of that exercise is "rumors".
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I think it will be worth it in this case.
If "narrow minded" was a competition, you'd be in contention for first place right now. Chytil is 21. IMO he's all ready good enough to be 2C. Neither you or I know where he will be in 3 years from now.
lol fair enough Couturier is off the list. That st ill leaves 4 or 5 other possibilities. And that's only in free agency. We have the assets to make trades. Assets in excess.
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That I think is the crucial point.
2018-2020 ZIbanejad is on a level with those guys, in my opinion.
2021 and 2017 Zibanejad are very clearly not.
So it comes down to which Zibby we think we are gonna get, and for how many seasons.
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I think another crucial point is that, given the fact that we're just (hopefully) entering a window, the thing that makes the Kopitar and Toews deals more tolerable won't apply, if things go right. The Blackhawks and Kings were each 5 years or so into their windows when the deals were signed. It would make sense for those teams to be on the other end of the cycle later in those deals.
In the Rangers case, Zibanejad would be on his bad contract when the Rangers would hopefully still be competitive. It's a different calculcation.
Next years UFA C crop will still be pretty significant and/or the option to sign a trade a guy will be there + what ever other players end up shaking loose as trade options between now and the end of the 2021-22 season.
No need to get silly with Zibanejad just yet.
No need to get silly with Zibanejad just yet.
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Barkov is supposedly signing an extension soon (next month). Hasn't happened yet, but there's little chance he'll be on the market.
I looked at the link you posted. I don't see a single 1C option that's not 35+, which doesn't solve a longer term 1C issue.
If the Rangers solve this outside of the organization, it's going to be via trade and not free agency.
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If the NYR are rebuilding in ~5 years when Zibanejad's contract could be a nuclear warhead to their cap for another 3-4 years, something went really wrong. This IMO is the crux of the issue. Kopitar got paid at this level after the Kings already won 2 Cups...Toews after the Hawks won 3.
We are talking about giving a huge (if admittedly lesser) contract to Zibanejad who is 1. at a minimum more one-dimensional if not just not as good overall and 2. doesn't align with the NYR's hopeful trajectory and "rebuild core."
I concede that the options here may be limited. But the answer can't be making a (largely) unforced error of this magnitude when the end state / timeline of this group is still extremely TBD.
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To piggyback on this, if Zibanejad signed an 8 year deal, both Kakko and Lafreniere would still be in their 20s when it expired. So Zibanejad "sucking" the last 2-3 years would actually overlap with Kakko 26-29 years old and Lafreniere being 25-28 years old.
It's cause for concern.
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It is, but there aren't too many teams out there, good or bad, who don't have some players on the roster who are still useful, but overpaid.
Problem is we already have two of those in Trouba and Kreider, but they can both be gone in 3 seasons.
Yea. And that's a big reason why I am not sold we should give him a long term contract like that. There is something to be said, also, for guys that HAVE won you a Stanley Cup. There's a bit more, loyalty and admiration for past deeds.
I don't know if we can COUNT on Zibby being that player for the majority of that long term extension. And frankly, Kopitar and Toews both, even as their play declines, I think offer so much more in intangibles, leadership qualities and they ALWAYS did. Using them as the example is maybe not quite as fair. These were always two guys who brought so much more to the table, that even if they are no longer performing, still add so much to a roster and especially in helping young guys along or things like team chemistry etc..
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Forget about those offer sheet rumors.
Forget about those offer sheet rumors.
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I don't think Trouba will quite hit that point. We're talking about a guy who is still 27 and whose deal expires when he's 33.
I think people are barking up the wrong tree on the Trouba argument.
In the scheme of contracts we have to worry about, Trouba's really isn't on the radar.
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Thing is, if Nils Lundkvist or Schneider take off like a rocket, they're gonna get paid eventually. Probably in that same 3 years time, as it turns out.
NYR can't spend 25 million dollars just on the right defense. The stars align pretty well with a culling that offseason.
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