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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXII

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If the return on Zucc is only a 2nd plus a prospect. Which I hope Zucc can return at least a low round 1st plus a prospect. Would anyone do

Zucc for Edmonton’s 2nd and poolparty or is a 2nd and Moto a better offer ?
 
howztheglass said:
If the return on Zucc is only a 2nd plus a prospect. Which I hope Zucc can return at least a low round 1st plus a prospect. Would anyone do

Zucc for Edmonton’s 2nd and poolparty or is a 2nd and Moto a better offer ?
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Zucc won't get you PoolParty alone.
 
ZiGOODejad said:
If we trade Kreider we’ll be looking for a player in his same mold for the next 5 years...
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And if we give him 8 years he most likely will seek we'll probably spend 2nd part of that contract wondering why we did what we did.
 
darko said:
Zucc won't get you PoolParty alone.
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I don’t know. Amazing how far Poolparty has fallen. I’m not saying there given him up yet but if there’s one team that seems to make trades where you say WHAT—we all know it’s Edmonton.
 
Kupo said:
Why is that?



Always a wise ass, don’t ever change. :laugh:



If Kreider wants to be a Ranger, and the team wants him here long term, I don’t see it being an impossible scenario.

Gorts can approach Kreider and tell him we’re going to continue sucking, but he’s part of the long-term core. Kreider gets 2 runs with a contender and then gets his retirement contract here next summer.



It would be interesting if the NHL replicated what FIFA has with player transfers.
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Like I said, possible, but rare.

The concept of a handshake deal is all well and good, but most players aren’t going to take that over a guaranteed contact when there are risks that could cost them millions of dollars.
 
Edge said:
Which offer for Zucc was your favorite?
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Look at what Tatar, Kane, Hartman (!) and Brassard got at the deadline. The market was out there.

Clearly I don’t know what conversations Gorton had or didn’t have around Zucc last year, but I’m just saying I think it was a mistake to not shop him much more aggressively. A low ball offer from last year is probably more than the best offer they’ll get this year - it’s clear his value has decreased, and being a rental is part of that.

I’d take Edmonton’s 1st and Bouchard/Pulju/Yamamoto for Kreider in a heartbeat. Regardless of whether or not I think Edmonton makes the playoffs. I think his value will be substantially lower next year if we hold onto him, and I think re-signing would be an even bigger mistake. If we do re-sign him, I hope I’m wrong. Wouldn’t be the first time.
 
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Edge said:
Like I said, possible, but rare.

The concept of a handshake deal is all well and good, but most players aren’t going to take that over a guaranteed contact when there are risks that could cost them millions of dollars.
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Kreiders going to get paid next summer regardless. It’s his choice where he plays. If he wants to be a Ranger, and Gorton is willing to meet his contract demands then it’s a plausible scenario.

He gets two runs at the cup. We collect some assets for our rebuild. It’s mutually beneficial. Kreider is going to be guaranteed millions one way or another.
 
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I think we should target Adam fox, it will be curious if after the season he stays in school or if he finally comes out....he should be playing in the NHL already....you have to hope he wants to play here
 
ZuccsFluffierFluffer said:
Thats your take away from this?

I don't see anywhere or anything that would suggest that its high. I hope the return is high, but he also more or less just said that hes done here soon.
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Doubt he knows much about that, but said he's ready for it.

But there's another side of this...his team value is very high, like Quinn just confirmed. You guys seem to forget about that. So it makes no sense to sell him for meh...
 
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jas said:
I also seem to remember quite a few of us pushing for a Zuccarello deal, and also taking a ‘wait-and-see’ attitude on both Kreider and Zibanejad.
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It could very well just be that I’m remembering posts like the one above this.. I know he doesn’t speak for everyone :laugh:
 
Maybe teams willing to trade a 1st for Zuccarello last year was in short supply since we already had 3. Shoot for 3 1st rounders this year so we stagger our picks across multiple draft years in case a single draft turns out to be a stinker?
 
Webster said:
Doubt he knows much about that, but said he's ready for it.

But there's another side of this...his team value is very high, like Quinn just confirmed. You guys seem to forget about that. So it makes no sense to sell him for meh...
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"You know, there’s a business aspect to all this; there’s an uncertainty piece to it – that’s not easy for people to handle. We’re all human beings."

If you plan on keeping the player, you squash these things before they become a distraction.

It makes more sense to sell him for meh then to keep him around and let him walk for nothing.
 
Trading Hayes / Zibenejad / Kreider turns a 3 year rebuild into a 5+ year rebuild. A lot of people underestimate how good these guys are and how much their presence helps the younger players. They play big minutes. Hard minutes. They lead the way. You lose too much of that too soon. It can get funky. Real quick.

Trade one if you have to. You don’t need to move more then that this season. Unless it’s for a crazy offer. 20 and 93 have a bunch of good years ahead of them.
 
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Kupo said:
Elite players? Agreed. But almost every year there are good players available in free agency.
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And those good players are a fraction of the players who were potential UFAs. Of the top 30 skaters, in terms of current salary, on expiring contracts this year, I’d be very surprised if 10 of them were available on July 1.
 
Pawnee Rangers said:
Trading Hayes / Zibenejad / Kreider turns a 3 year rebuild into a 5+ year rebuild. A lot of people underestimate how good these guys are and how much their presence helps the younger players. They play big minutes. Hard minutes. They lead the way. You lose too much of that too soon. It can get funky. Real quick.

Trade one if you have to. You don’t need to move more then that this season. Unless it’s for a crazy offer. 20 and 93 have a bunch of good years ahead of them.
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It may, it may not.

A lot of it depends on what else they do/how lucky they get in the lottery/how whats already here develops.

I don't see a bunch of people pushing Z and Kreider out the door though. I think the attitude towards trading those guys is that it will take a massive offer.
 
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ZuccsFluffierFluffer said:
It may, it may not.

A lot of it depends on what else they do/how lucky they get in the lottery/how whats already here develops.

I don't see a bunch of people pushing Z and Kreider out the door though. I think the attitude towards trading those guys is that it will take a massive offer.
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You got dudes packing his suitcase for Puju and the 15th pick in the first round.
 
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