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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXII

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Ola said:
I think its more or less a fact that the market will decide who Gorton trades. I know many disagree, but I think we got a crap return for McD and Miller. That is the return you get when you force a trade without having a sufficient market for the player moved. With Stepan and Brassard it was different, they were traded on our terms. Zucc will be auctioned off to the highest bidder. And its perfectly possible that Hayes will be too. But if someone is willing to make a move on Kreider or Ziba or Skjei or someone like that on terms that are acceptable for us -- I don't for a second think that Gorton would hesitate to pull the trigger.

But I see zero reason for Gorton to force a move for Kreider or Zibanejad. Even if Gorton intends to move Kreider, it should be better to wait until the deadline next season and deal him for a really late 1st and an OK prospect as opposed to doing the same this deadline.
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Or trade him at the draft if we need to move up...
 
RangerBoy said:
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Doesn't surprise me at the slightest.

No one is going to be breaking down the doors to acquire a small, declining, mentally soft front runner who hasn't exactly stepped it up in the playoffs and has played like hot ass for most of the year.

If he can bump his price up to a 2nd, I'd be happy. Anything more and the other team f***ed up royally.

This isn't on him, this is JG's fault for not moving him earlier.
 
ZuccsFluffierFluffer said:
Doesn't surprise me at the slightest.

No one is going to be breaking down the doors to acquire a small, declining, mentally soft front runner who hasn't exactly stepped it up in the playoffs and has played like hot ass for most of the year.

If he can bump his price up to a 2nd, I'd be happy. Anything more and the other team ****ed up royally.

This isn't on him, this is JG's fault for not moving him earlier.
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Cool.

Which deal did you want Gorts to take?
 
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ZuccsFluffierFluffer said:
Doesn't surprise me at the slightest.

No one is going to be breaking down the doors to acquire a small, declining, mentally soft front runner who hasn't exactly stepped it up in the playoffs and has played like hot ass for most of the year.

If he can bump his price up to a 2nd, I'd be happy. Anything more and the other team ****ed up royally.

This isn't on him, this is JG's fault for not moving him earlier.
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Nash wasn't having a great year last season but he had 9 of his 18 goals with the Rangers in the month leading to the trading deadline.

He increased his value but I think teams look at Nash differently than Zuccarello. Nash was a former 1st overall player. He played for Canada at the Olympics.
 
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Kreider definitely stands out as someone sneakily on the market. For contract status alone. Draft probably more likely. Will suck if it happens but should net a haul.

Hopefully an actual haul not a Stepan / McD + Miller haul..which one I’d classify as good to very good but lacking a rabbit/hat which the NYR will need to find somehow.
 
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RangerBoy said:
Nash wasn't having a great year last season but he had 9 of his 18 goals with the Rangers in the month leading to the trading deadline.

He increased his value but I think teams look at Nash differently than Zuccarello. Nash was a former 1st overall player. He played for Canada at the Olympics.
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Nash has a sterling reputation around the league. This only became more obvious from the outpouring of love he received from former teammates after he announced his retirement. The pedigree and brand name helped his value along with what was a very weak winger market.

I can think of at least a half dozen wingers who are/may become available who I'd rather have than Zuccarello. Some of those guys have term left too.
 
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HatTrick Swayze said:
Kreider definitely stands out as someone sneakily on the market. For contract status alone. Draft probably more likely. Will suck if it happens but should net a haul.

Hopefully an actual haul not a Stepan / McD + Miller haul..which one I’d classify as good to very good but lacking a rabbit/hat which the NYR will need to find somehow.
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While I agree, I think the good haul without the rabbit is the most realistic outcome whether they trade him this deadline or trade him later. Difference being about half the rabbitless futures if they wait.
 
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While I agree, I think the good haul without the rabbit is the most realistic outcome whether they trade him this deadline or trade him later. Difference being about half the rabbitless futures if they wait.
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Yea that’s fair, it’s not an easy decision. It’s not a simple value optimization problem. And there are 30 other GMs trying to do the same thing at the same time.

Also readily admit I may be “expecting” too much in a sense. Though I would say I am more “hoping for” than “expecting.” At the end of the day the NYR need 1-2 more rabbits and Gorton is the guy out hunting. I’m not saying he sucks or did poorly by any stretch, but it’s also tough to say he has done exceptional which is what the NYR will need to build a real contender this go-round. No small feat.
 
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Edge said:
Truthfully, I think Kreider and Zibanejad being moved has always been more of a possibility than most realize --- been saying that since last season.

I still don't even rule out that this team surprises everyone and trades Zibanejad while keeping Hayes. I think that would be a mistake, and I would consider it a very remote possibility, but I wouldn't dismiss it entirely either.
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I'd agree with you that its always been a possibility, though I think the likelihood of moving one of them is much lower.

This is my list of Rangers that I wouldn't be surprised to see traded this year, in order from most to least likely:
Zuccerello
Hayes
McQuaid
Namestikov
Fast
Buchnevich
Vesey
Shattenkirk
Skjei
Georgiev
Kreider
Zibanejad

I'd be genuinely surprised if someone got dealt that wasn't on that list, but not really surprised at all if its any of those guys.
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
Yea that’s fair, it’s not an easy decision. It’s not a simple value optimization problem. And there are 30 other GMs trying to do the same thing at the same time.

Also readily admit I may be “expecting” too much in a sense. Though I would say I am more “hoping for” than “expecting.” At the end of the day the NYR need 1-2 more rabbits and Gorton is the guy out hunting. I’m not saying he sucks or did poorly by any stretch, but it’s also tough to say he has done exceptional which is what the NYR will need to build a real contender this go-round. No small feat.
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The more darts added to those he already has, which he can fit into his hand to throw all at once at the draft dart board the better in my opinion.

I just don't see any other way out, I'd love for many teams to be more like Ottawa, but most are not giving up any of, top end/ceiling prospects, draft slots that could be top end/ceiling prospects, or youth that has or seems to be hitting their top end ceilings.

With that being the general case it kind of is either find an Ottawa to trade with, if they have anything left, which neither them or Edmonton really have left, or just keep taking swings on draft gambles.

If those gambles mostly fail or do not reach high ceilings they are basically right back to where they were, trading the ones that kind of worked for Nash, signing a Gaborik/Richards, signing undrafted UFAs, or those who bilked the system to become UFAs while finding the Stepans or whatever in the draft when they have picks. It's not like much other than wasted time can be lost in that gamble which was going to turn out to be ultimately successful.
 
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Edge said:
Worth noting that I think we might value Jost a bit more than their board seems to.

I don’t think Jost and a first is an unreasonable request. Especially for a team that has a realistic shot of making some noise in the west and resigning Hayes long-term.

As such, the first might be conditional and a 2020 pick. But that would also mean that the Rangers would want some value added due to the uncertainty of the pick, and the liklihood it wouldn’t be as high in 2020 if Hayes resigned.
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From an expectation standpoint, Jost was considered a dangerous C, who was equally good either as a playmaker, or a goal scorer. Was a player that could instantly add offense to your squad, and was considered a deceptive Center. After reaching the 100 game mark, none of that has translated.

Jost started the season expected to challenge Kerfoot for 2nd line Center, in addition to playing on the Avs top PP unit. As the season progressed, Kerfoot cemented the 2nd line position, and Jost was literally bumped to the 4th line, but not as Center, as LW for Sheldon Dries. He remained on the PP, but was moved from 1st unit to 2nd unit. The Avs have literally had him up and down the lineup on different nights, literally playing him with MacKinnon as well. There is one certainty. He’s largely inconsistent thus far in an Avs sweater, and from the perspective of an outsider looking in, the Avalanche don’t really seem to know what to do with him.

Seems like its sort of a pivotal moment for the Avalanche with him.

If they give him more time to develop and he doesn't make significant progress, he value is basically shot. Rather then discussions about top 6 players in return they will be discussions about waiver wires.
If they move him now, they give up on a former top 10 pick who is only really in his Sophomore season at the NHL level.
 
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Trade Targets

Pool Party vs Tyson Jost

To young to consider either a "reclamation project", but you have to wonder. Who is the the better prospect here at this point? Numbers say Jost. Hype-train says Pool Party. Im completely undecided.

Jesse Puljujarvi
Former 1ST Round selection, 4TH Overall.
Age: 20
Position: RW
Height: 6’4
Weight: 201 Lbs
NHL Stats: 128 GP 17G 18A 35Pts 217S 7.8 S%
Poolparty is on pace for a 16pt season. He currently is playing on Edmonton’s 3rd line, Centered by Kyle Brodziak with Ryan Spooner on the Left wall.


Tyson Jost
Former 1st Round selection, 10th Overall.
Age: 20
Position: LW/C/RW
Height: 5’11
Weight: 191 Lbs
NHL Stats: 113 GP 19G, 19A, 38Pts 185S 10.3 S%
Jost is on pace for a 29 Pt season. He currently playing LW on the Avs 4th line centered by mighty mite Sheldon Dries, and Sven Andrighetto on the Right Wing position.
 
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Mats Zuccarelli said:
Zucc for Yamamoto straight up. Would you?
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Would be a bad deal for the Rangers. They are both 5'8, but Yamomoto is only 153lbs. Zucc weighs 30 pounds more, and that's all muscle. Yamamoto will be slapped around like a little rag doll, his stats are not very impressive either.
 
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