Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXI

[McRanger]

We traded for his contract. It wasn’t blind.

Glen Sather is sorta blind.

 

[Thirty One]

They can be conditional on passing a physical, though

Yes! There you go! Move the goalposts enough and you'll find your argument.

 

[Waivers]

Zuccarello is trending downward in points but I would assume majority of GMs in the league would know Zuccarello has more to offer than what he is showing currently with the Rangers. Put him on a contending team with capable line mates and he will be a 60 point player again, barring injuries. Do not believe the third round nonsense, it is complete and utter bullshit. I am still going with either a late first, or a second and a fairly halfway decent prospect. GMs are not that willing to part ways with first rounders anymore unless they have some control of the asset after the season.

 

[McRanger]

This argument is so dumb.

It reminds me of the Ozolinsh DWI argument back in the day.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Zuccarello is trending downward in points but I would assume majority of GMs in the league would know Zuccarello has more to offer than what he is showing currently with the Rangers. Put him on a contending team with capable line mates and he will be a 60 point player again, barring injuries. Do not believe the third round nonsense, it is complete and utter bull****. I am still going with either a late first, or a second and a fairly halfway decent prospect. GMs are not that willing to part ways with first rounders anymore unless they have some control of the asset after the season.

Tell that to Don Sweeney and the Bruins that gave us a warm body, a 1st, and a decent prospect for a player that just announced his retirement today.

 

[Avery16]

Tell that to Don Sweeney and the Bruins that gave us a warm body, a 1st, and a decent prospect for a player that just announced his retirement today.

There’s a sucker born every minute.

 

[Avery16]

If we can’t get a 1st, or a 2nd and a prospect for Zucc, extend him.

 

[RangerBoy]

RB, I’m happy they won those games. While I’m not happy the loss last night, I’ve seen some real growth in the last two games.

Sorry but I am not rooting for a ****show here this year. It’s bad enough now and it will get worse after the trade deadline. I’ve seen how bad it can get in Arizona (and for all their trouble, they drafted Dylan Strome)

As long as I pay for tickets, I want an honest effort to winnever6 night.

The Rangers aren’t making the playoffs.

Growth? You mean they didn’t get blown out and the goaltender wasn’t pulled.

Watching the Rangers lose sucks but it’s the best thing for them long term.

 

[bobbop]

It guarantees a top-4 pick. PROVE ME WRONG.

That’s great news...maybe we will draft a Sam Bennett or Griffin Reinhardt!

 

[Avery16]

Yes! There you go! Move the goalposts enough and you'll find your argument.

We also don’t know that Nash was willing to continue playing for less than what he was making. The assertion was that he was doing the right thing by not taking another contract. No evidence has been presented that he made any such decision. Just some hearsay that there were offers. Who is the one moving the goalposts?

 

[haveandare]

Wish Nash well.

That being said he was a complete failure here. Especially in the post season.

"Complete failure" is pretty dramatic imo. He had the most productive season anyone has had on this team in years.

 

[Irishguy42]

That’s great news...maybe we will draft a Sam Bennett or Griffin Reinhardt!

Or a Mitch Marner/Seth Jones/Nicklas Backstrom/Ryan Johansen/etc.

I can do this too.

 

[Avery16]

"Complete failure" is pretty dramatic imo. He had the most productive season anyone has had on this team in years.

So long ago, and no cup.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If we can’t get a 1st, or a 2nd and a prospect for Zucc, extend him.

Would be so dumb.

Just because you don't get the return you should have gotten for him last year doesn't mean you should waste cap space on a declining asset.

 

[haveandare]

So long ago, and no cup.

Ok, then every player we've had for decades is a complete failure.

I'll never understand how people are somehow always shocked that the last years of a huge retirement deal see the player underperform.

 

[McRanger]

"Complete failure" is pretty dramatic imo. He had the most productive season anyone has had on this team in years.

Yeah I would have to agree. He was certainly a disappointment but considering how everything played out is there anyone who would go back in time and undo the trade? That's usually a sign of a complete failure.

 

[Avery16]

Would be so dumb.

Just because you don't get the return you should have gotten for him last year doesn't mean you should waste cap space on a declining asset.

Define ‘wasting cap space’ during a rebuild

 

[Avery16]

Ok, then every player we've had for decades is a complete failure.

I'll never understand how people are somehow always shocked that the last years of a huge retirement deal see the player underperform.

8 million per season is the context that everyone seems to want to forget in this argument.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Define ‘wasting cap space’ during a rebuild

Having a player sulking around is a great environment for players to get introduced to the league

 

[McRanger]

8 million per season is the context that everyone seems to want to forget in this argument.

Well you wrote "no cup". I mean Lundqvist gets paid 8.5 million and doesn't have a cup. It's a weird standard. I get being annoyed at Nash for being a disappointment but you seem to be kind of all over the map with your criticisms.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Define ‘wasting cap space’ during a rebuild

Giving Zucc an extension = Cap space wasted.

Not to mention thats a spot wasted on the roster that should be going to a player on an ELC.

Funny how you want to rip Nash who was NEVER as bad as Zuccarello is right now.

 

[haveandare]

8 million per season is the context that everyone seems to want to forget in this argument.

If you sign a guy to an 8 year 8 million dollar deal in his mid/late twenties and you expect him to earn that 8M in the last year, the issue is mostly that your expectations aren't in line with reality.

 

[Avery16]

Having a player sulking around is a great environment for players to get introduced to the league

Three seasons of Nash drastically underperforming while we choke on his cap hit is heroic.

Three months of Zuccarello struggling is unforgivable and who even cares what he did for us for many seasons now while leaving money on the table.

Ok, I understand now.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

LeBrun has always hated the Rangers. Can't wait to see his smug face go sour when the team is contending again.

Ferland is one of the better bottom six forwards in the league, but come on now. If Ferland is worth a 1st and a prospect, so is Zuccarello.

3rd rounder for Zuccarello my ass.

I've never gotten that impression from LeBrun and I don't know how off he is.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Three seasons of Nash drastically underperforming while we choke on his cap hit is heroic.

Three months of Zuccarello struggling is unforgivable and who even cares what he did for us for many seasons now while leaving money on the table.

Ok, I understand now.

What has Zuccarello done for the Rangers that Nash hasn’t? When did Nash sulk his way through a season because he might be traded? Is this the struggling Zuccarello we’re going to see moving forward and if so why not take what’s available for him now before no one even wants him?