Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX

[eco's bones]

What do you think Georgiev’s value is IF he is traded which I think he will with Shesty almost ready?

Georgiev is even younger than Shesterkin. Georgiev will be a legit NHL starter. I think Shesterkin will be too but the younger player Georgiev has proven more. I'm not inclined to trade either of them. If we're going to move Georgiev it better be for something seriously good and a late 1st rounder or early 2nd rounder is not my idea of something seriously good.

 

[Avery16]

They have 6 forwards on IR and have essentially the same record as we do. I'm certain Kovalchuk thinks his role/contributions would be more significant on that team then on this one.

If you can't see why he fits better there then here then I don't know what else to say.

That makes two of us, because I have no idea how anyone mistakes Montreal for a contender, injuries or no.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

I am not advocating that we should have done this, but don't you think that if Quinn felt he didnt have the roster he needed, he would have asked Gorton for Kovalchuk on a league minimum two way? Don't you think that if Quinn had asked, Gorton would have offered? Don't you think that if Gorton had offered, Kovalchuk would've come here instead? Quinn has a huge role in what this roster is. He makes the calls to Hartford. He has the ear of the GM. This is Quinn's roster too.

I'll play devil's advocate here...let's say DQ feels he doesn't have the roster he needs, how does Kovalchuk's name even enter the picture.....from everything I've read and heard about the type of team and roster DQ wants, Kovalchuk is the total opposite.

 

[Waivers]

Skjei does not have value? He is a great skating defenseman on a fairly decent cap hit with a considerable amount of term. He has a lot more value than people may think, and I believe the Rangers hold him in that regard too, regardless if the fans perceive him differently.

 

[Avery16]

The choice between Haley, Beleskey, Smith, Nieves, & Fogarty is like choosing between a quarter, two dimes and a nickel, a dime and 3 nickels, or twenty five pennies.

There are bigger fish to fry here.

Given that the topic is about not having a fourth line to roll four lines, its the whole enchilada.

 

[cheech70]

Georgiev is even younger than Shesterkin. Georgiev will be a legit NHL starter. I think Shesterkin will be too but the younger player Georgiev has proven more. I'm not inclined to trade either of them. If we're going to move Georgiev it better be for something seriously good and a late 1st rounder or early 2nd rounder is not my idea of something seriously good.

Late 1st or 2nd is really good..never fall in love with a goalie

 

[haohmaru]

That makes two of us, because I have no idea how anyone mistakes Montreal for a contender, injuries or no.

Bergevin: "I believe if we were healthy, we would be in a playoff spot right now"

Six starting guys, all forwards, half the forwards on the team, are on IR.

You seriously can't see how Kovalchuk fits better on that team than on the NYR who are likely selling again at the deadline?

 

[Avery16]

I'll play devil's advocate here...let's say DQ feels he doesn't have the roster he needs, how does Kovalchuk's name even enter the picture.....from everything I've read and heard about the type of team and roster DQ wants, Kovalchuk is the total opposite.

Kovalchuk is just the most recent signing. The point is that there are options we could go for if Quinn thought he needed more. The argument that his hands are tied because he isn't the GM is just an excuse for Quinn apologists. The Blues signed Troy Brouwer recently. Patrik Berglund is desperate for an NHL contract. These are surely improvements over Haley and Smith.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Did you not read the first ten words of the post you're replying to?

More absurdity about how both Quinn and Gorton can snap their fingers and make bottom 6 players appear? Yeah, read that too.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Georgiev is even younger than Shesterkin. Georgiev will be a legit NHL starter. I think Shesterkin will be too but the younger player Georgiev has proven more. I'm not inclined to trade either of them. If we're going to move Georgiev it better be for something seriously good and a late 1st rounder or early 2nd rounder is not my idea of something seriously good.

Right now, I think they get something similar to what they got for Talbot. Even though Talbot played well during the stretch Henrik was injured, he still had not proved he could carry the load as a #1 starting goaltender. Same is true of Georgy.

 

[haohmaru]

Kovalchuk is just the most recent signing. The point is that there are options we could go for if Quinn thought he needed more. The argument that his hands are tied because he isn't the GM is just an excuse for Quinn apologists.

The same can be said for Gorton and JD. Those are the guys that are, you know, in charge of acquiring players and assets.

Clearly they don't think there's been a long term fit to improve the team in that role. They did the same thing last year. It's a need they aren't addressing because it's likely obvious that this team isn't in a position, yet, where they need to spend on an improved 4th line. They aren't going anywhere this year.

 

[Avery16]

More absurdity about how both Quinn and Gorton can snap their fingers and make bottom 6 players appear? Yeah, read that too.

*I*am*not*advocating*that*we*should*have*done*this*... How do you even get to here from that??

 

[charliemurphy]

Georgiev is even younger than Shesterkin. Georgiev will be a legit NHL starter. I think Shesterkin will be too but the younger player Georgiev has proven more. I'm not inclined to trade either of them. If we're going to move Georgiev it better be for something seriously good and a late 1st rounder or early 2nd rounder is not my idea of something seriously good.

In this draft for Georgiev, Gorton takes that and runs.

 

[eco's bones]

Right now, I think they get something similar to what they got for Talbot. Even though Talbot played well during the stretch Henrik was injured, he still had not proved he could carry the load as a #1 starting goaltender. Same is true of Georgy.

The same could be said for Shesterkin who was never really the No. 1 with his KHL team. I don't like the Talbot-Georgiev comparison. Alex is the better goalie. Talbot didn't even see the NHL until he was 26 years old. Georgiev can be inconsistent but he also steals games that the Rangers have no business winning. I think he's a better goalie at this point in time than Henrik.

 

[Minmonster]

Right now, I think they get something similar to what they got for Talbot. Even though Talbot played well during the stretch Henrik was injured, he still had not proved he could carry the load as a #1 starting goaltender. Same is true of Georgy.

Some did a great job assessing the entire leagues current state of goaltending and concluded that Georgiev would be an upgrade to approximately 12 teams as a starter. The post also showed the amount of cap space dedicated to goalies that aren’t as good as georgie. I think that there is 1st round trade value there.

 

[egelband]

Late 1st or 2nd is really good..never fall in love with a goalie

I totally agree with your second assertion. But not totally with the first. At this point I think Georgiev should/could fetch more. Even if they need to add and make a bigger package.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

No way Rangers should even consider being buyers.

We know this but JD said otherwise. Maybe it was just him being diplomatic.

 

[Dijock94]

Skjei does not have value? He is a great skating defenseman on a fairly decent cap hit with a considerable amount of term. He has a lot more value than people may think, and I believe the Rangers hold him in that regard too, regardless if the fans perceive him differently.

Agreed, he just became a new whipping boy here. He’s a great 3-4 on a good team locked up to a good cap hit through his prime. People just expected McDonagh and shouldn’t have.

 

[egelband]

Kovalchuk is just the most recent signing. The point is that there are options we could go for if Quinn thought he needed more. The argument that his hands are tied because he isn't the GM is just an excuse for Quinn apologists. The Blues signed Troy Brouwer recently. Patrik Berglund is desperate for an NHL contract. These are surely improvements over Haley and Smith.

In a vacuum I agree but for this Ranger team having Haley as 13th fwd and Smith doing his Utility player thing is working ok. Not a long term solution, indeed. But not sure Kovalchuk, Brouwer, Berglund really would be huge improvements. In fact, I’d prefer, were they to make a change, for them to commit to Fogarty and Gettinger, for example. Let Smith run around for Hartford.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I don’t fault casual fans at all for thinking Skjei could be like McDonagh

Because that’s exactly how he was pitched to the fanbase by the team

even though it was evident he was not McDonagh caliber at all

 

[egelband]

I don’t fault casual fans at all for thinking Skjei could be like McDonagh

Because that’s exactly how he was pitched to the fanbase by the team

even though it was evident he was not McDonagh caliber at all

I thought Skjei should really be paired with an excellent offensive defenseman like ADA or Fox. Force Skjei to focus on defense.
But I guess Quinn tried this already and it didn’t really work. Shows what I know.

 

[JimmyG89]

Been saying for a while, Georgiev can return what Freddie Andersen did. A late 1st is an ideal return. If they want a player in return, can't real argue with that.

If this team is attempting to contend next season, getting someone who can play in a red line role and excel is ideal. We should be able to find that with the amount of players asking to be moved.

 

[SA16]

Been saying for a while, Georgiev can return what Freddie Andersen did. A late 1st is an ideal return. If they want a player in return, can't real argue with that.

If this team is attempting to contend next season, getting someone who can play in a red line role and excel is ideal. We should be able to find that with the amount of players asking to be moved.

It is hard to get a late first given that most teams that would have a late first have good goaltending.

 

[Dijock94]

I don’t fault casual fans at all for thinking Skjei could be like McDonagh

Because that’s exactly how he was pitched to the fanbase by the team

even though it was evident he was not McDonagh caliber at all

Doesn’t make him a slouch though, I’m sure most teams would love to have him at the contract he’s on.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Doesn’t make him a slouch though, I’m sure most teams would love to have him at the contract he’s on.

I agree he’s not a slouch by any means

He’s just not as good as some thought he would be