Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX

[Dijock94]

I agree he’s not a slouch by any means

He’s just not as good as some thought he would be

No big deal though, if him trouba fox and ADA all have potential long term as top 4 defenseman than we’re really just looking for our stud left handed defenseman, which is a good place to be considering we really only started this rebuild a short time ago.

 

[Whoot Whoot]

Sjkei was good - he was much better than he was now. He has regressed - it wasn't out of the realm of possibility he came a solid 1st line stay at home.
He seems to have failed once Mc D left and much more was asked of him. Some people are just quality lieutenants and can't progress higher.

 

[BBKers]

WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS:

TRADE 1 (TDL)
Trent Fredric
Danton Heinen
BOS 1st Rounder 2020

for

Chris Kreider (1,8 M retained)

TRADE 2 (TDL)
Brandon Manning
rights to Jessi Pulujärvi
EDM 4th rounder 2021
for

Jesper Fast
Ryan Gropp
NYR 3rd rounder (DAL)

TRADE 3 (TDL)
Julien Gauthier
CAR 2nd rounder 2020 (NYR)

for

Alexander Georgiev
NYR 4th rounder 2020

TRADE 4 (DRAFT)
Evgeny Svechnikov
DRW 3rd rounder 2020 (SJS)

for

Lias Andersson
NYR 7th rounder 2020 (SJS)

TRADE 5 (DRAFT)
Alex Tuch
Vegas 2nd rounder 2020 (PIT)
Vegas 2nd rounder 2021 (NJD)

for

ADA

TRADE 6 (OFFSEASON)
Jonas Brodin
MIN 3rd rounder 2022

for

Brady Skjei

OFFSEASON
BUYOUT MARC STAAL
SIGN RFAs: Strome, Lemieux, Svechnikov, Pulujärvi, Di Giuseppe, O Regan and Raddysh
SIGN ELCs: Lundkvist, Wall, Barron, Pajuniemi, Gross?, (Miller??)

HOPE FOR ANOTHER GREAT DRAFT

UPGRADE POTHOLES AS SEEN FIT WITH A HUGE ACCUMULATED ASSET BANK. STAY THE COURSE. PATIENCE...

 

[SA16]

Stay the course we only need to make six trades!

 

[Luger]

I think that you would be trading a future rd all star caliber player plus a lot

Quality RD is more rare than quality LD, so in a 1 for 1 trade, you get a better player than ADA. Throw in a 2LD in Skjei plus a kid with a realistic future like Hajek and/or Lias, and it's a very strong package for an LD.

 

[JimmyG89]

It is hard to get a late first given that most teams that would have a late first have good goaltending.

Teams that are selling tend to get 1sts for rentals if they have one that is good and in demand.

The 1st round will get settled later on, but if a team needs a young goalie gets its hands on one of those, it becomes a trade target, especially if that selling team isn't starting rebuild.

 

[SA16]

Teams that are selling tend to get 1sts for rentals if they have one that is good and in demand.

The 1st round will get settled later on, but if a team needs a young goalie gets its hands on one of those, it becomes a trade target, especially if that selling team isn't starting rebuild.

It's more of an offseason move though (nothing wrong with that) though because unless there is an injury pretty much none of the top 3 teams in any division need a goalie.

 

[Edge]

I fully agree. However, I'm referring to the instances IMO the forward was highest value on the board and the Rangers went for the goalie or LD instead...Halverson over Kempe, Crawley in the 4th round in 2017 and Lindbolm over numerous options.

Eh, that’s cuts both ways. If we do that, then wed also have to include defenseman we didn’t take over forwards the board identified as well.

 

[Dijock94]

Quality RD is more rare than quality LD, so in a 1 for 1 trade, you get a better player than ADA. Throw in a 2LD in Skjei plus a kid with a realistic future like Hajek and/or Lias, and it's a very strong package for an LD.

You just traded 2 top 4 defenseman in their mid 20s and a high end D prospect for who exactly?

 

[aufheben]

Skjei is good for one dumb play a night, but I think he’s had a good season overall. On pace for about 30 5v5 points.

 

[NernieBichols]

So... the best 3 pieces our franchise has?

Yup take it or leave it

 

[NernieBichols]

WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS:

TRADE 1 (TDL)
Trent Fredric
Danton Heinen
BOS 1st Rounder 2020

for

Chris Kreider (1,8 M retained)

TRADE 2 (TDL)
Brandon Manning
rights to Jessi Pulujärvi
EDM 4th rounder 2021
for

Jesper Fast
Ryan Gropp
NYR 3rd rounder (DAL)

TRADE 3 (TDL)
Julien Gauthier
CAR 2nd rounder 2020 (NYR)

for

Alexander Georgiev
NYR 4th rounder 2020

TRADE 4 (DRAFT)
Evgeny Svechnikov
DRW 3rd rounder 2020 (SJS)

for

Lias Andersson
NYR 7th rounder 2020 (SJS)

TRADE 5 (DRAFT)
Alex Tuch
Vegas 2nd rounder 2020 (PIT)
Vegas 2nd rounder 2021 (NJD)

for

ADA

TRADE 6 (OFFSEASON)
Jonas Brodin
MIN 3rd rounder 2022

for

Brady Skjei

OFFSEASON
BUYOUT MARC STAAL
SIGN RFAs: Strome, Lemieux, Svechnikov, Pulujärvi, Di Giuseppe, O Regan and Raddysh
SIGN ELCs: Lundkvist, Wall, Barron, Pajuniemi, Gross?, (Miller??)

HOPE FOR ANOTHER GREAT DRAFT

UPGRADE POTHOLES AS SEEN FIT WITH A HUGE ACCUMULATED ASSET BANK. STAY THE COURSE. PATIENCE...

Brodin has come to mind for me as well. Only bc I remember some talk wild were dangling him to the rangers a couple years ago when they had a D crunch. Think the rangers were trying to pry dumba though at the moment. Funny that need has totally flip-flopped hasnt it

 

[BBKers]

OUR TRADES SO FAR SINCE WE STARTED SELLING LOOK SOMETHING LIKE THIS...

SENT OUT
Antti Raanta
Marek Mazanec
Ryan McDonaugh
Nick Holden
Ryan Graves
Dylan McIlrath
Rick Nash
Mats Zuccarello
Derek Stepan
Derek Brassard
Kevin Hayes
JT Miller
Michael Grabner
Jimmy Vesey
Cody McLeod
2017 3rd round pick NYR = Zachary Gallant
2018 2nd round pick NYR = Jonatan Berggren
2018 7th round pick NYR = Luke Loheit
2019 7th round pick BOS = Massimo Rizzo
2019 1st round pick WIN = Ville Heinola
2019 2nd round pick NYR = Mads Sogaard
LEFT TO LOSE = 2020 2nd round pick NYR

GOT BACK
Rob O`Gara => BOMB
Chris Bigras => BOMB
Nick Ebert...

Jacob Trouba
Adam Fox
Anthony DeAngelo
Libor Hajek
Ryan Lindgren
Yegor Rykov
Brendan Smith

Mika Zibanejad
Ryan Strome
Brett Howden
Brendan Lemieux
Matt Beleskey

2017 1st round pick ARI = Lias Andersson => LIKELY A BUST? OR A RUNAWAY?
2018 1st round pick BOS = [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%27Andre_Miller']K'Andre Miller[/URL]
2018 1st round pick TBL = Nils Lundkvist
2018 3rd round pick Boston = Joey Keane
2018 7th round pick VEGAS = Riley Hughes
2019 2nd round pick DAL = Matthew Robertson
2019 2nd round pick TBL = Karl Henriksson

LEFT TO GET = 2020 3rd round pick from DALLAS
LEFT TO GET = 2020 7th round pick NASHVILLE
LEFT TO GET = 2020 7th round pick VANCOUVER
LEFT TO GET = 2021 3rd round pick BUFFALO
LEFT TO GET = 2021 4th round pick OTTAWA

We also got $$ to sign The Breadman...

 

[Luger]

You just traded 2 top 4 defenseman in their mid 20s and a high end D prospect for who exactly?

Not a prospect. A legit 1LD in his mid20s. Just because someone's name isn't in the news as trade bait, doesn't mean he can't be had. I said it's worth exploring ADA+Skjei and possibly a lesser young guy for a borderline All Star LD (someone who is an All Star some years, but not all).

 

[Dijock94]

Not a prospect. A legit 1LD in his mid20s. Just because someone's name isn't in the news as trade bait, doesn't mean he can't be had. I said it's worth exploring ADA+Skjei and possibly a lesser young guy for a borderline All Star LD (someone who is an All Star some years, but not all).

You’re talking about trading 3 of 6 starting defenseman in one package. That just would never happen.

 

[Kocur Dill]

Quality RD is more rare than quality LD, so in a 1 for 1 trade, you get a better player than ADA. Throw in a 2LD in Skjei plus a kid with a realistic future like Hajek and/or Lias, and it's a very strong package for an LD.

You just traded 2 top 4 defenseman in their mid 20s and a high end D prospect for who exactly?

Ekman Larsson?

Coyotes are thin at RD.

They'd look like this

Chychrun - DeAngelo
Skjei - Gologoski
Hajek - Demers.
$7,008,333 in
$8,250,000 out

we'd have

Ekman Larsson - Trouba
Lindgren - Fox
Rykov - Smith
Staal (buyout?)

yotes current $0 cap space
NYR current $2.959 cap space

Yotes could give ADA Soderbergs expiring money.

It's not too far fetched lol?

 

[Chytilmania]

Why are the Coyotes trading away their captain?

 

[RGY]

Ekman Larsson?

Coyotes are thin at RD.

They'd look like this

Chychrun - DeAngelo
Skjei - Gologoski
Hajek - Demers.
$7,008,333 in
$8,250,000 out

we'd have

Ekman Larsson - Trouba
Lindgren - Fox
Rykov - Smith
Staal (buyout?)

yotes current $0 cap space
NYR current $2.959 cap space

Yotes could give ADA Soderbergs expiring money.

It's not too far fetched lol?

This is wildly far fetched.

 

[Dijock94]

Ekman Larsson?

Coyotes are thin at RD.

They'd look like this

Chychrun - DeAngelo
Skjei - Gologoski
Hajek - Demers.
$7,008,333 in
$8,250,000 out

we'd have

Ekman Larsson - Trouba
Lindgren - Fox
Rykov - Smith
Staal (buyout?)

yotes current $0 cap space
NYR current $2.959 cap space

Yotes could give ADA Soderbergs expiring money.

It's not too far fetched lol?

So we save like no cap space and end up with one NHL defensive pair, I don’t see the sense. Why can’t we take the route the Bruins did and just keep our defensemen and continue to develop and plug them in when they’re ready. You end up with good defense and depth. Too far fetched?

 

[Kocur Dill]

So we save like no cap space and end up with one NHL defensive pair, I don’t see the sense. Why can’t we take the route the Bruins did and just keep our defensemen and continue to develop and plug them in when they’re ready. You end up with good defense and depth. Too far fetched?

How many NHL Defensive pairs do we have now?

We have a ton of good looking prospects to "Plug in" as you say over the next few years. (Robertson, Miller, Reunanen, Keane) at least 2 of them should make it.
We have Rykov (LD) knocking at the door with no spot.
Lindgren and Fox are our defacto 2nd unit already.
We most likely can't afford ADA and we are RD heavy with Lundqvist possibly in a 2 year window.
Skjei is playing below his cap weight.

You can't keep them all. There are only 6 spots and we certainly are not letting them walk in their contract years as others are ready.
I love ADA, but it's clear Trouba and Fox are here to stay. He's a very attractive piece as a 50+ pt RFA and Skjei/Chychrun/ Hajek is a better total LD side than they currently have with Gogo as their top RD. ADA/Skjei/Hajek gives them a 3 line defence they currently don't have.

3 d for 1 d is an oddball trade. I'm just replying to the two posters I quoted. One brought up a stud LD for those 3 players, another asked who in the world it could be. Coyotes are more forward heavy than D heavy, we are the opposite. Seems a match regardless if people overrate OEL as some megastar or not. I don't think the value is too off.

And to all. don't be snide in your replies. Come at me civil or don't come at all.

 

[Minmonster]

Absurd proposal. Larson has a lot of miles on him and carries a large contract. Arizona just traded deangelo now they want him back

I'd do deangelo skjei and hajek for Quinn Hughes and miller though or Peterson and miller

 

[kovazub94]

Absurd proposal. Larson has a lot of miles on him and carries a large contract. Arizona just traded deangelo now they want him back

I'd do deangelo skjei and hajek for Quinn Hughes and miller though or Peterson and miller

So Arizona getting ADA back is absurd but suggesting the Rangers would get back JTM is not? Got it.

 

[Avery16]

has any team at any time in history traded half their defense squad in a single transaction? Some proposals just aren't worth any response at all.

 

[Dijock94]

How many NHL Defensive pairs do we have now?

We have a ton of good looking prospects to "Plug in" as you say over the next few years. (Robertson, Miller, Reunanen, Keane) at least 2 of them should make it.
We have Rykov (LD) knocking at the door with no spot.
Lindgren and Fox are our defacto 2nd unit already.
We most likely can't afford ADA and we are RD heavy with Lundqvist possibly in a 2 year window.
Skjei is playing below his cap weight.

You can't keep them all. There are only 6 spots and we certainly are not letting them walk in their contract years as others are ready.
I love ADA, but it's clear Trouba and Fox are here to stay. He's a very attractive piece as a 50+ pt RFA and Skjei/Chychrun/ Hajek is a better total LD side than they currently have with Gogo as their top RD. ADA/Skjei/Hajek gives them a 3 line defence they currently don't have.

3 d for 1 d is an oddball trade. I'm just replying to the two posters I quoted. One brought up a stud LD for those 3 players, another asked who in the world it could be. Coyotes are more forward heavy than D heavy, we are the opposite. Seems a match regardless if people overrate OEL as some megastar or not. I don't think the value is too off.

And to all. don't be snide in your replies. Come at me civil or don't come at all.

We can afford to reside DeAngelo that’s the thing. We are projected somewhere around 15 or more million this offseason. With that money we have to fit DeAngelo and Lemieux, Strome if they decide to keep him. A lot of people are suggesting we trade him when their is no replacement RD ready. There is also no reason we can’t sign him and trade him in a few years if Lundkvist is making a case for the spot. We are a rebuilding team as well so I don’t see why we are packaging 3 of our young defenseman with high end potential for a guy who doesn’t fit the timeline of our rebuild

 

[Avery16]

We can afford to reside DeAngelo that’s the thing. We are projected somewhere around 15 or more million this offseason. With that money we have to fit DeAngelo and Lemieux, Strome if they decide to keep him. A lot of people are suggesting we trade him when their is no replacement RD ready. There is also no reason we can’t sign him and trade him in a few years if Lundkvist is making a case for the spot. We are a rebuilding team as well so I don’t see why we are packaging 3 of our young defenseman with high end potential for a guy who doesn’t fit the timeline of our rebuild

Theres nothing wrong with signing ADA, but theres also nothing wrong with having Trouba and Fox in the top four, or ADA and Fox in the top four. We would adapt and survive if we traded one of ADA and Trouba for a young top-six F with first-line upside.