Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX

[LeetchisGod]

No way Rangers should even consider being buyers.

Bingo. This team isn't very good. They generally don't win unless Georgiev or Hank stands on his head. With Lias busting they need another top forward prospect badly. A top ten pick in the draft is the best thing for them moving forward.

 

[ETTER DE]

Bingo. This team isn't very good. They generally don't win unless Georgiev or Hank stands on his head. With Lias busting they need another top forward prospect badly. A top ten pick in the draft is the best thing for them moving forward.

Or you can say: The team is not very good so they need to be buyers. Gorton has to my recollection stated several times that he will do what it takes to acquire the right players. So far we have seen: Draft (Kakko), Trade (Trouba), UFA (Panarin).

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Bingo. This team isn't very good. They generally don't win unless Georgiev or Hank stands on his head. With Lias busting they need another top forward prospect badly. A top ten pick in the draft is the best thing for them moving forward.

I don't know why, but I have a strong feeling about 1/2 of our current roster won't be here 2 years from now....I think JD is going to do a major revamp of it.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don't know why, but I have a strong feeling about 1/2 of our current roster won't be here 2 years from now....I think JD is going to do a major revamp of it.

The only guys who probably have a spot locked down long term are the guys with big contracts that are just starting (Panarin, Trouba) our 3 young studs (Kakko, Chytil, Fox) and probably Zibanejad. DeAngelo should be in there too but we'll see what management does.

What you're saying is a very safe assumption.

 

[Fitzy]

Or you can say: The team is not very good so they need to be buyers. Gorton has to my recollection stated several times that he will do what it takes to acquire the right players. So far we have seen: Draft (Kakko), Trade (Trouba), UFA (Panarin).

Buyers tends to imply trading for players with only a chance of re-signing. Examples like Eric Staal, Bryan McCabe, Nik Antropov, ect.

We need to sell players we don't plan to re-sign in order to help maintain the influx of young cap controlled players.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Or you can say: The team is not very good so they need to be buyers. Gorton has to my recollection stated several times that he will do what it takes to acquire the right players. So far we have seen: Draft (Kakko), Trade (Trouba), UFA (Panarin).

You could also look at the obvious and state that these were all acquisitions made in the offseason.

We're talking about the deadline. They should only be looking to move rentals or make hockey deals, try to keep up.

 

[Minmonster]

I thought that I would miss zucc and Hayes before and at the time of their trades but now I view them as opponent players only and really don't think about them much at all. I guess that I'll always think highly of zucc but Hayes is a flyer and is the enemy. I thought that the Callahan trade was the worst thing that could have happened at the time but got over it within a couple of months. I believe that our loyalty is to the sweater and the focus should be on the rebuild.
Trading Fast, Georgiev, krieder and/or strome at the deadline keeps us on track. I can stomach another sell off and lottery pick for this year and next and I am fine with futures rather than nhl ready prospects. I don't even mind watching the loses because I can see glimmers of hope.
I agree with the sentiment that this is the period to evaluate what players will be part of the core and I hope deangelo is a part of it. Also agree that skjei and buchnevich would be better used as trade capital if the value is there.
2021-22 is the year that the Rangers become an nhl force for a decade. My hope is that the Rangers don't need to trade future high draft capital to be a contender like the did for a half decade before 2017. My hope that the majority of the core comes from the draft and tweaks and cap management will comprise the majority of our future deals.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Wild Fan here. With Ryan Strome’s emergence, is there a deal to be had around Chytil, or is he still a long term top 6 C for you guys?

i would trade him for Kaprizov, Boldy, and a 1st

 

[Luger]

What I'd explore is ADA and Skjei for a legit 1LD. Not just a top 31 LD, but someone who can lead a Cup winner. An All Star.

Normally those players aren't available, but this is a very big package of young players and it includes an RD who can play on the first pair, the hardest asset to acquire.

Might throw in one of the Three Musketeers (Lindgren, Hajek or Rykov) and/or Lias, depending on who would become available.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I am usually not that critical of coaches albeit I thought Torts just pushed us in the wrong direction in relation to the development of the game in the NHL.

But Quinn isn’t even trying to have a 4th line that can play a solid shift. You make your own bed. These guys aren’t the most talented to start with. If you play Brendan Smith with them it won’t even remotely work. He is just trying to berserk the ice. Create havoc. Nobody can do anything on that line.

I just think that it’s idiotic to not try to have a 4 line team. Your 4th should challenge your 3rd every night. If a line is t getting it done, the minutes should be cut.

To be brutally honest, DQ is really looking like rookie coach in over his head right now. He is constantly crying and criticism his players about the same thing over and over again. He is focusing on things that everyone can see are not the most fundamental issues his team got to deal with. He reminds me a lot of Renney in Vancouver to be honest. I think he has lost the room too. Where is the positive energy?

Quinn should definitely invent a few more NHL-caliber players on his roster and role 4 lines. Totally agreed.

Your take is absurd on it's face. Even though I made the same argument then, I long for the last few years of AV where at least there was an argument to be made about personnel management.

15 months into Quinn's tenure, less than 2 years from a roster blow-up/rebuild and you want a team that's rolling 4 lines seamlessly and whatever "positive energy" is. Patience truly is a virtue.

 

[JiricekSaveUs]

i would trade him for Kaprizov, Boldy, and a 1st

So... the best 3 pieces our franchise has?

 

[Minmonster]

What I'd explore is ADA and Skjei for a legit 1LD. Not just a top 31 LD, but someone who can lead a Cup winner. An All Star.

Normally those players aren't available, but this is a very big package of young players and it includes an RD who can play on the first pair, the hardest asset to acquire.

Might throw in one of the Three Musketeers (Lindgren, Hajek or Rykov) and/or Lias, depending on who would become available.

I think that you would be trading a future rd all star caliber player plus a lot

 

[ETTER DE]

Buyers tends to imply trading for players with only a chance of re-signing. Examples like Eric Staal, Bryan McCabe, Nik Antropov, ect.

We need to sell players we don't plan to re-sign in order to help maintain the influx of young cap controlled players.

Yes, that is true. But now you are only talking about the players who are UFAs. At the TDL there is usually players available that have a year left on their contracts. Like Karlsson or McDonagh.. If a player like Brodin, Danault, Lowry is available, they could be options. You then have the opportunity to see them on the team for a year before you make the decision to try to resign them or not. They can be traded again next year. A rebuild like this will never be perfect. There will prospect who busts, trades that does not work out etc. before you hopefully succeed in making a contending team.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Apparently the Preds are open for business

Could be looking to make a big shakeup

We should be all over that

 

[Leetch3]

The only guys who probably have a spot locked down long term are the guys with big contracts that are just starting (Panarin, Trouba) our 3 young studs (Kakko, Chytil, Fox) and probably Zibanejad. DeAngelo should be in there too but we'll see what management does.

What you're saying is a very safe assumption.

a safe assumption and also not a major revamp either

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Apparently the Preds are open for business

Could be looking to make a big shakeup

We should be all over that

I do not believe they’re actually sellers

I think Polie is just saying hopefully give them a spark

 

[RangersFan1994]

Skjei looks bad because he is not a top pair dman at all. realistically Skjei is a 3rd pair defenseman on a CUP team, 2ed pair on a really good playoff team. He is forced playing more than he should

 

[duhmetreE]

Apparently the Preds are open for business

Could be looking to make a big shakeup

We should be all over that

I'd take Nick Bonino at a reasonable price

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Would it be a good idea to see if one of ADA, Fox or Keane could play on the left side? Could give it a shot towards the end of the team when the games wont mean much.

Would allow for Skjei to be traded and Staal bought out.

ADA - Trouba
Lindgren - Fox
Hajek/Rykov - Keane

 

[Blue Blooded]

I'd take Nick Bonino at a reasonable price

Bonino turns 32 in April and only has one more year left on his deal. He is having a career season, but is definitely not a piece I would target on Nashville.

Ekholm and Arvidsson are the natural targets, early/mid prime with term on great contracts. Järnkrok could be interesting for the same reasons.

 

[kovazub94]

Quinn should definitely invent a few more NHL-caliber players on his roster and role 4 lines. Totally agreed.

Your take is absurd on it's face. Even though I made the same argument then, I long for the last few years of AV where at least there was an argument to be made about personnel management.

15 months into Quinn's tenure, less than 2 years from a roster blow-up/rebuild and you want a team that's rolling 4 lines seamlessly and whatever "positive energy" is. Patience truly is a virtue.

Your take is right except the “long for the last few years of AV...” part. Maybe it’s how you phrased it.

 

[egelband]

As unsexy and unpopular as it will be to some in my neck of the blogwoods, the rangers would be making a big mistake to trade Fast. I thought he might be slowing down towards the end and beginning of this year, but mid-year and he’s the same guy. A lot like Jan erixon from what I remember

Yeah. I’d be happy for the Rangers to keep Fast and Kreider - assuming reasonable contracts - and selling high on Buch, Georgiev, and Strome, I’m thinking. But I get the sense that’s not what they’re planning to do. Anyhow, I hope they can net an extra first and a nice two-way gritty middle sixer, somehow.

 

[duhmetreE]

Bonino turns 32 in April and only has one more year left on his deal. He is having a career season, but is definitely not a piece I would target on Nashville.

Ekholm and Arvidsson are the natural targets, early/mid prime with term on great contracts. Järnkrok could be interesting for the same reasons.

That's why I want him.

This team could use everything he offers

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Yeah. I’d be happy for the Rangers to keep Fast and Kreider - assuming reasonable contracts - and selling high on Buch, Georgiev, and Strome, I’m thinking. But I get the sense that’s not what they’re planning to do. Anyhow, I hope they can net an extra first and a nice two-way gritty middle sixer, somehow.

Out of the 5 you mentioned, Georgy is the only one I'd try to keep.

 

[Blue Blooded]

That's why I want him.

This team could use everything he offers

What's the point in spending assets on him? We're not winning the cup this year or next. He'll probably command the equivalent of a late 1st.

In any case Nashville would be dumb to invest in anything but goaltending, their on-ice play is very good and their core is locked up and decently young. Rinne is past it and Saros hasn't got it.