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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX

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Thirty One said:
Remind me who the coach was in Dallas that Nichushkin bolted to get away from.

I know there's not a love for Ruff around here, but I doubt the Rangers are going to can him to take a flyer on a project.
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Perhaps, the hope for the Rangers is that they acquire Nichuskin and he leaves for Russia. Clears quite a bit of cap space.
 
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Webster said:
Looks like I need to clear up a few things when it comes to my relationship with Mats, even though I've mentioned it once before.

We are simply buddies, I've known him for 15 years and we went to school together. So I know a few things about him that I can't or won't post here. I can post stuff it's okay to share, but this vetting thing is something I'll pass because I won't leave any personal info or connections on this site.

This is the natural reason, if or when Zucc goes to new team, so do I.
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That's fair. Tell him thanks for the memories, he has been a fan favorite for a reason. Sad to see him go and I am sure we all wish him good luck. Hopefully this plays out sooner rather than later
 
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NYR Viper said:
Perhaps, the hope for the Rangers is that they acquire Nichuskin and he leaves for Russia. Clears quite a bit of cap space.
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No. I highly doubt the Rangers are going to trade for a player in the hopes that they bolt to a different league/cause reason to terminate their contract and create cap space.

Good conspiracy theory, but not realistic.
 
Why is every pick attributed to Clark?

Wouldn't his advice need to be taken by Sather, Gorton?

Not sure If I can still find the links, but I'm pretty sure Sather in his early years was saying you can never have too many goalies, Renney I believe took the blame for Jessiman, Gorton choose to stick with McIlrath when Fowler was still on board.

Beyond those picks, and Sanguinetti over Giroux, given where the Rangers were drafting, if they even had a 1st or 2nd, what is the major issue?
 
Thirty One said:
Remind me who the coach was in Dallas that Nichushkin bolted to get away from.

I know there's not a love for Ruff around here, but I doubt the Rangers are going to can him to take a flyer on a project.
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Same coulda been said about Arniel and Brassard
 
Machinehead said:
You and @Edge talked about elite talent with this project and that's what got me on board.

Maybe he's not "elite" per se, but the way you talk about Kreider, I take it you see him as a certain level of player?
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I have been a Kreider backer from before he was selected. Is he ‘elite’? He’s elite at driving possession. He’s damn-sure elite in front of the opposition’s net. He has a positive effect on his linemates. And, he’s increased his goal production, while decreasing his droughts, so he’s discarding the ‘inconsistent ‘ label. How many times have people here said Kreider would look awesome next to McDavid or some other high end center. Why wouldn’t the same go for whichever high end center the the Rangers bring in? I’m not scorched earth. I want our young players to succeed. I think giving him the JVR contract would be perfect, especially if your only other big ticket upfront is Zibanejad. I don’t think you can win if a Zibanejad and/or a Kreider are your best players. But, if they’re 3, 4 or 5, then you’re golden upfront.
 
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NYR Viper said:
Perhaps, the hope for the Rangers is that they acquire Nichuskin and he leaves for Russia. Clears quite a bit of cap space.
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Yeah, I suppose if the purpose is to relieve Dallas of the cap burden, it matters very little.
 
I guess I see Kreider as more of what could the Rangers get for him next deadline if he is at that point only willing to sign something the Rangers are not willing to go to?

If that is rental like returns, and the Rangers could get more for him now rather than then, I think it kind of has to be considered.

Rangers should probably decide now what their top offer is for any Kreider extension and if they think he will sign for that or if he is going to ask for more. They have market comparables, Kane, Couture, Pacioretty, are they willing to go towards that Kane or Couture contract, or are they thinking the Pacioretty deal?
 
Machinehead said:
You and @Edge talked about elite talent with this project and that's what got me on board.

Maybe he's not "elite" per se, but the way you talk about Kreider, I take it you see him as a certain level of player?
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I like Kreider and was a big fan even when people were screaming for someone else to the be pick ten years ago.

I've always been very demanding of him and pointed in some of my criticisms, primarily because I always felt he could and should be more. The last year or so, he's been that guy I felt he could be all those years ago.

He's not elite, but he's an impact player. To me he's in that "ultimate compliment player" category. But he also brings an element that is particularly hard to find, and one that is going to be needed by a franchise that one way or the other is going to have some younger centers on its roster the next few years.

Frankly, his value to the Rangers is probably more than it is "on paper" to anyone looking at the roster. That's where a trade could prove difficult.

Another team wouldn't necessarily start the conversation with a top 5 pick, but that's what I'd be looking for, and then some incentives. And in that case, I better damn well be leaving the draft with Kakko, Byram and another first rounder in my organization (hello Turcotte/Newhook/Zigras with a pick in the teens).

If I can't do that, then you better be selling me on a hell of a vision for what you're sending my way in a trade.
 
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Edge said:
I like Kreider and was a big fan even when people were screaming for someone else to the be pick ten years ago.

I've always been very demanding of him and pointed in some of my criticisms, primarily because I always felt he could and should be more. The last year or so, he's been that guy I felt he could be all those years ago.

He's not elite, but he's an impact player. To me he's in that "ultimate compliment player" category. But he also brings an element that is particularly hard to find, and one that is going to be needed by a franchise that one way or the other is going to have some younger centers on its roster the next few years.

Frankly, his value to the Rangers is probably more than it is "on paper" to anyone looking at the roster. That's where a trade could prove difficult.

Another team wouldn't necessarily start the conversation with a top 5 pick, but that's what I'd be looking for, and then some incentives. And in that case, I better damn well be leaving the draft with Kakko, Byram and another first rounder in my organization (hello Turcotte/Newhook/Zigras with a pick in the teens).

If I can't do that, then you better be selling me on a hell of a vision for what you're sending my way in a trade.
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One of the concerns about making trades remains are you trading something you don’t already have in the organization. There is no one like him in the organization. You can replace one of Zibanejad or Hayes. You can replace Zuccarello. Skjei? Easily. But as you point out, Kreider holds more intrinsic value than just sheer production, which is also moving north.
 
jas said:
One of the concerns about making trades remains are you trading something you don’t already have in the organization. There is no one like him in the organization. You can replace one of Zibanejad or Hayes. You can replace Zuccarello. Skjei? Easily. But as you point out, Kreider holds more intrinsic value than just sheer production, which is also moving north.
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And that's one of the reasons I used Kakko as an example. Hughes is in his own little world, but Kakko is the type of impact winger you'd want to walk away with --- with a pick you got for Kreider.

Then you'd need to grab a guy like Byram with the Rangers pick, and take your later picks to move up and grab someone like Turcotte, Zegras or Newhook. So you'd be in a position to come away with a first line wing, a first pairing defenseman, and another forward with top 6 potential.

But then you start getting into the far-fetched, video game-like scenarios. And on paper, that's not likely to happy. But that's the kind of impact you'd be looking for if you're going roll the dice on picks rather than prospects.

And thus we circle back to a trade proving rather difficult.
 
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jas said:
I said the JVR contract...five years, $7 million AAV. If he wants to go to 6 years, then the Rangers drop the AAV. That’s not a blank check. I give him a limited NTC.
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I'm not seeing why Kreider would take a penny less than what Evander Kane received. 7 years x $7m per season. I would actually expect him to make more because he doesn't have any attitude issues and he has a better track record of producing.

So let's assume the Rangers feel he will ask for 7 years x $7m per season because the market has been set. What do they do?
 
SA16 said:
I wouldn't take on any cap dumps and risk running out of room for a Panarin/Stone/Karlsson whoever is available. Mid-July - fine. But not before them.
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I would agree, not in the team's interest to take on a cap dump until we see what happens with the draft and UFA.
 
SA16 said:
I wouldn't take on any cap dumps and risk running out of room for a Panarin/Stone/Karlsson whoever is available. Mid-July - fine. But not before them.
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The deal outlined had us unloading Smith. In return the Rangers would take on the shorter, but higher cap hit contracts of Hanzal and Nichuskin. It's a way to remove the cap from the Rangers books a year early. It would be a smart move.
 
jas said:
I said the JVR contract...five years, $7 million AAV. If he wants to go to 6 years, then the Rangers drop the AAV. That’s not a blank check. I give him a limited NTC.
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What if he does not want that?

If he is on the open market you don't think he could get the Evander Kane contract? 7x7 with a only 3 team can trade to clause or at least that same but only 6 years?

The thing is the Rangers will not know until that time comes, by then they are going to be faced with either capitulating towards whatever he is asking for or trading him for rental like return because he would be a rental.

So unless they are willing to go there now, as in that contract fits into whatever they are doing, or are at the point going to be willing to take rental like return, why are they putting themselves in that position?
 
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