Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX

[East Coast Bias]

Oh for sure, but even if the return was great I'd probably still jump on his bandwagon for a bit to get his name on the Cup.

The hardest part of the rebuild is the yearning for meaningful hockey, so I'll be signing somewhere this spring, or entering the draft again

You didn't think the hockey was meaningful was it was actually meaningful so you'll be fine.

 

[EpicDing]

Trading Kreider would be an absolute mistake unles it's overpayment to the point the other GM should lose his job, or it becomes clear he will not re-sign here. Those are the only scenarios.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don't get it with Fox. He wants to play this year or he's gonna test UFA. Burn a year off his ELC and if he's good it will mess things up down the road. No thank you. Take a run at him when he's UFA this summer.

Nichuskin.....nope. I just don't see it with him. Lost cause. Waste of a spot/slot. He's not going to make Buch more consistent because they speak the same native langauge #RussianVoltron.

Next summer.

Fox is a Junior.

 

[Edge]

From Custance "NHL Trade Big Board: 20 players who could move before the deadline Craig Custance":

"4. Kevin Hayes, Rangers: He’s big. He’s a center. He’s a rental. He’s everything a contending team like the Bruins or the Jets would love to plug into their lineup for the stretch run. Hayes has 33 points in 39 games and will be one of the biggest targets before the trade deadline. “He’s a really good player,” said one NHL source. “I think it’s buyer beware when he’s signing his next contract … but as a rental? Awesome. He’s not going to be a first-line center. Let’s say it’s the Bruins, he’ll be their third center. Then he’s really good.”"

Something a little under the radar that really struck me.

 

[Edge]

Trading Kreider would be an absolute mistake unles it's overpayment to the point the other GM should lose his job, or it becomes clear he will not re-sign here. Those are the only scenarios.

I think that's what the approach would likely be.

A "make me move him" type offer.

 

[NYR Viper]

One stop shop:

To Dallas
Hayes + Smith + Vesey

To NYR:
Hanzal + Nichuskin + DAL 1st '19 + DAL 2nd + Jason Roberston + Conditional DAL 2nd '20 if they re-sign Hayes

 

[Thirty One]

The hardest part of the rebuild is the yearning for meaningful hockey

Not exclusive to a rebuild! I didn't see a Rangers' playoff game from age 10 to 18 and they were going for broke every year.

 

[Off Sides]

I think the Rangers are almost destined to be pretty bad again next year, maybe even worse than they are this year, and if Kreider is going to ask for something like 7M or 8M cap hit on a 6, 7, even 8 year deal with a super restrictive clause, balking will ensue.

 

[Waivers]

“He’s a really good player,” said one NHL source. “I think it’s buyer beware when he’s signing his next contract … but as a rental? Awesome. He’s not going to be a first-line center. Let’s say it’s the Bruins, he’ll be their third center. Then he’s really good.”"

Something a little under the radar that really struck me.

Read that before too. Looks like we should trust our gut instincts - many HOFers have felt the same about Hayes and his longevity with a new contract. It just doesn’t seem right, even though without Hayes we will have growing pains after Mika at C.

 

[East Coast Bias]

From Custance "NHL Trade Big Board: 20 players who could move before the deadline Craig Custance":

"4. Kevin Hayes, Rangers: He’s big. He’s a center. He’s a rental. He’s everything a contending team like the Bruins or the Jets would love to plug into their lineup for the stretch run. Hayes has 33 points in 39 games and will be one of the biggest targets before the trade deadline. “He’s a really good player,” said one NHL source. “I think it’s buyer beware when he’s signing his next contract … but as a rental? Awesome. He’s not going to be a first-line center. Let’s say it’s the Bruins, he’ll be their third center. Then he’s really good.”"

Something a little under the radar that really struck me.

He's going to ask to be paid well, and they don't like that.

 

[Machinehead]

Not exclusive to a rebuild! I didn't see a Rangers' playoff game from age 10 to 18 and they were going for broke every year.

Rongos

 

[Machinehead]

You didn't think the hockey was meaningful was it was actually meaningful so you'll be fine.

If Kreider takes out a goalie but nobody is around to Montreal about it, was he really taken out?

 

[Mac n Gs]

I guess I am in the minority as I am still not thrilled with the deal. Had nothing to do with not getting Sergachev (Point is lol that anyone thought that) or not knowing who Howden or Hajek were. It was the sum of the parts when including Miller. Either the value for McD was good and Miller very subpar or vice versa.

Or it could be that our perceived value just isn’t what reality was. McD was still very good, but had a looming big contract situation and a slew of recent injuries that hampered play. Miller was someone who produced, but was incredibly incosistent and could never solidify a top-6 spot when it was wide open for him. He too had a looming contract situation and was up for a big pay raise, and I’m sure the absolute lack of playoff scoring was well known throughout the league.

I don’t want to rehash that deal anymore than we already have. I just want people to have realistic expectations for what we’ll see in the next 6-8 weeks. If you want these high-end pieces, it’ll cost you. They aren’t dealt for rentals anymore.

 

[LORDE]

I’m actually amazed at the love this board has for gordie Clark when he’s never drafted an impact high end player for this franchise. His best pick is Chris Kreider.

I don’t trust him at all. I don’t trust gorton either if he’s going to continue to let this guy make the decisions on who he brings in.

I agreed we needed to tear down but I don’t trust this management group to build it back up any differently than they just did. They normally draft guys with low upside but little chance of busting safe good players and when they do swing for the fences they always always miss. They fail in targeting prospects in trades or the draft that can be elite and actually become elite. They have the entire time they’ve been in charge.

What's your alternative?

Not being a jerk I just don't know what you want. Neither Gorts nor Clark are going anywhere ATM.

The best you can hope for is a shot-gun affect. Where we have a ton of chances and hit something.

Otherwise you're just worrying about something that isn't changing soon and that you (or I or anyone else) has any control over.

 

[Edge]

He's going to ask to be paid well, and they don't like that.

Eh, there are players that are going to be paid well and no one really bats an eye.

There are other players who are going to be well, and there's a sense of hesitation.

Right, wrong, or otherwise, Hayes tends to generate a lot of the latter.

That's not to say he couldn't be worth every penny, and someone will definitely pay it, but I don't think there's a universal comfort when it comes to him as a UFA. And those feelings aren't necessarily exclusive the Rangers or this board.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

One stop shop:

To Dallas
Hayes + Smith + Vesey

To NYR:
Hanzal + Nichuskin + DAL 1st '19 + DAL 2nd + Jason Roberston + Conditional DAL 2nd '20 if they re-sign Hayes

It's funny, I hated this deal less and less with each successive piece and came to the conclusion that it's not bad at all.

Nichuskin would bolt to russia in a millisecond unless we got rid of Ruff. I'm not so sure that he's an NHL player though, that hip injury really killed him.

 

[Machinehead]

I’m going to be unreasonable. Unless trading Kreider brings back Makar, Kaut and Ottawa’s first, I will be down on any Kreider deal. I maintain that it’s more likely that keeping Kreider will have a greater benefit on this rebuild than any package that’s likely to come back.

You and @Edge talked about elite talent with this project and that's what got me on board.

Maybe he's not "elite" per se, but the way you talk about Kreider, I take it you see him as a certain level of player?

 

[offdacrossbar]

One stop shop:

To Dallas
Hayes + Smith + Vesey

To NYR:
Hanzal + Nichuskin + DAL 1st '19 + DAL 2nd + Jason Roberston + Conditional DAL 2nd '20 if they re-sign Hayes

i like hockey trades.

if dallas is going for it this year, they get younger and they get rid of hanzal and a russian guy who needs a new home big time- who knows if hes gonna be a player or not ? they have had a bad run of 1st's too like we have.

the 1st and 2nd are good value and robertson i mentioned before is a gunner.

 

[Edge]

What's your alternative?

Not being a jerk I just don't know what you want. Neither Gorts nor Clark are going anywhere ATM.

The best you can hope for is a shot-gun affect. Where we have a ton of chances and hit something.

Otherwise you're just worrying about something that isn't changing soon and that you (or I or anyone else) has any control over.

I feel like we can recycle the pages that were written in the Avs post-game thread, which was really just recycled from previous conversations.

There's a certain opinion, that no matter how much it is challenged, no matter much how evidence is presented to the contrary, it persists.

 

[Thirty One]

Remind me who the coach was in Dallas that Nichushkin bolted to get away from.

I know there's not a love for Ruff around here, but I doubt the Rangers are going to can him to take a flyer on a project.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Remind me who the coach was in Dallas that Nichushkin bolted to get away from.

I know there's not a love for Ruff around here, but I doubt the Rangers are going to can him to take a flyer on a project.

No, but they may can him after the season.

I doubt Nichuskin is going to make a decision on his future based off of 20 or so games he plays this year (though, his performance thus far may make that choice for him)

 

[Kovalev27]

What's your alternative?

Not being a jerk I just don't know what you want. Neither Gorts nor Clark are going anywhere ATM.

The best you can hope for is a shot-gun affect. Where we have a ton of chances and hit something.

Otherwise you're just worrying about something that isn't changing soon and that you (or I or anyone else) has any control over.

Honestly I want gordie Clark fired and replaced before he makes another pick but I know I’m not going to get it.

 

[Webster]

Not to speak on his behalf but it has nothing to do with a borderline sick obsession with one player.

Looks like I need to clear up a few things when it comes to my relationship with Mats, even though I've mentioned it once before.

We are simply buddies, I've known him for 15 years and we went to school together. So I know a few things about him that I can't or won't post here. I can post stuff it's okay to share, but this vetting thing is something I'll pass because I won't leave any personal info or connections on this site.

This is the natural reason, if or when Zucc goes to new team, so do I.

 

[LORDE]

Honestly I want gordie Clark fired and replaced before he makes another pick but I know I’m not going to get it.

Fair answer. But as you said, you're not getting that.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I’m going to be unreasonable. Unless trading Kreider brings back Makar, Kaut and Ottawa’s first, I will be down on any Kreider deal. I maintain that it’s more likely that keeping Kreider will have a greater benefit on this rebuild than any package that’s likely to come back.

I agree with this general sentiment re: Kreider and any potential trade, but even I feel like this might be a bit too much.

How about Makar OR the OTT 1st, Kaut, and another 1st?