Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX

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An impact prospect just isn't coming in a Hayes deal. Not unless the Rangers draft one with the picks they receive.

1st round pick, a team's 5th or 6th best prospect, and a conditional pick. That's the blue print for a Hayes deal.

You want a blue chip kid or top ten pick? Kreider or Zibanejad has to go.
 
If we trade Kreider and the return is anything less than Duchene-esque, you may not be alone. Selling Kreider for anything less than a ridiculous over payment would be such a colossal **** up.

Oh for sure, but even if the return was great I'd probably still jump on his bandwagon for a bit to get his name on the Cup.

The hardest part of the rebuild is the yearning for meaningful hockey, so I'll be signing somewhere this spring, or entering the draft again :laugh:
 
I wonder if Vegas would be more interested in Zucc. They need to re-sign Karlsson, and they have 4x 2nds / 4x 3rds between 2019-2020

“He’s a really good player,” said one NHL source
This made me chuckle lol

Is Boston going to want to fork over assets to the Rangers for a second straight TDL? ...
 
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The new Webster.

Not to speak on his behalf but it has nothing to do with a borderline sick obsession with one player.

It has everything to do with the fact that trading Kreider is a significant risk, that he is one of the few pieces of actual talent this team has left and could still be a high impact player when we are ready to compete again.
 
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Par for the course when the expectations are set by the media - hey Brooksie, talking to you here: stop mentioning the Ottawa pick, Makar. Don’t even mention Trouba. Thanks. - it was totally unrealistic to expect Point or Sergachev for McDonagh, yet every other post mentioned them. The other issue is that the majority of people have never heard of, seen, or have more than a surface-level knowledge of prospects. So yes, if we get a Jack Studnika instead of Debrusk, it’s still a good move for us. The former was never happening barring a much bigger give from us, but the latter isn’t a sexy pick, but he’s crushing it in juniors right now. I feel like I’m on a hockey rodent style rant here, but a good PR team helps a lot in these scenarios. Having a less fanaticized media presence helps set better expectations too.

Caveat: yes, I understand the media can sometimes serve as a mouthpiece in trade negotiations, but I doubt it has *that* much of an effect.

I guess I am in the minority as I am still not thrilled with the deal. Had nothing to do with not getting Sergachev (Point is lol that anyone thought that) or not knowing who Howden or Hajek were. It was the sum of the parts when including Miller. Either the value for McD was good and Miller very subpar or vice versa.
 
If we were to trade Kreider, then I become a rental for somebody.

So that's fun, I guess.

I think the flip side, the Rangers may end up turning Kreider into a rental return themselves if they hold on to him. It's a dangerous game, he could ask for 7 years and 7M, NMC next contract at/near the trade deadline or be willing to test the market, in which case the Rangers are either signing him to something like that or trading him for rental like return.
 
Not to speak on his behalf but it has nothing to do with a borderline sick obsession with one player.

It has everything to do with the fact that trading Kreider is a significant risk, that he is one of the few pieces of actual talent this team has left and could still be a high impact player when we are ready to compete again.
I know... I had to edit to put in the sarcasm face since I figured it'd be taken the wrong way.
 
Oh for sure, but even if the return was great I'd probably still jump on his bandwagon for a bit to get his name on the Cup.

The hardest part of the rebuild is the yearning for meaningful hockey, so I'll be signing somewhere this spring, or entering the draft again :laugh:

So true. It is really tough. On one hand, doing a fire sale to ensure a high draft pick is not a successful strategy. Being a middle of the pack non contender isn't either. Rebuilds are not easy and if not done properly could lead to another dark ages type era of Rangers hockey... at which point I'd probably raise my son as a Bolts fan or something :laugh:
 
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Hayes should bring back a Nash-like return maybe a little more IMO.

Nash had the brand name but a movement clause. Hayes is younger and a C.

It will be less than McD for sure which didn’t even net a prospect like Glass/Brannstrom/Makar.
 
I guess I am in the minority as I am still not thrilled with the deal. Had nothing to do with not getting Sergachev (Point is lol that anyone thought that) or not knowing who Howden or Hajek were. It was the sum of the parts when including Miller. Either the value for McD was good and Miller very subpar or vice versa.

When it broke that Miller was included in the deal, some very reputable guys like Mike Johnson and Pierre LeBrun speculated if it could be part of a larger deal involving Sergachev/Point.
 
i like dallas as a spot for hayes.

after seguin they have jason spezza and martin handzal as their 2/3C's combined age 67 yrs old. . hayes slots in nicely there for a team looking to go deep this year. sequin and hayes with spezza/handzal as the 3C is much better and younger.

2 young guys i like there

jason roberson who is a legit snipe show. kid can shoot it and has good size. fills an organizational need.

esa lindell smart and skilled finish dman who been really good. 6'3 215 lefty shot.

do they throw in val nichushkin ?? he needs a change of scenery big time.

dont want picks. another mid late 1st does nothing for me with this scouting group.
 
And that could change things around, if a team values him enough to pay a premium both to him and the Rangers, and if Hayes is willing to do that.

Do I think a team values him that much that they would go above and beyond to pay both Hayes (to forgo UFA) and the Rangers (to get the negotiation window and lock up Hayes long-term)?

I have serious doubts.

At the end of the day, even Hayes' most ardent supporters still view him as a second line center. And I don't know if even elite second line centers have that kind of market. But, anything is possible, even if it's not likely.
Isn’t there a good chunk of players available this TDL? Wonder if it will be a buyer’s market.
 
i would kick the tires on parayko in st lou too.

thats a guy i would love to get on broadway. there's your top pair guy right there.

that organization is ready to melt it down and start over.
 
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From Brooks:
"“None of my teams are going to tank. I’ll never tell a team to lose,” Dolan said. “I think teams that tank are giving away something really big. I think they’re giving away that emotional development for the team. You can see how important that is.

“You have responsibility to the fans; fans pay for tickets and they deserve best game you can give them. That’s probably No. 1. But when you go in and tell a team, even if you’re just telling the coach, to lose the game, you’re dispiriting your team. That hurts more than getting a better draft pick helps. It’s hard to reignite the spirit of the team.”"


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From Custance "NHL Trade Big Board: 20 players who could move before the deadline Craig Custance":

"4. Kevin Hayes, Rangers: He’s big. He’s a center. He’s a rental. He’s everything a contending team like the Bruins or the Jets would love to plug into their lineup for the stretch run. Hayes has 33 points in 39 games and will be one of the biggest targets before the trade deadline. “He’s a really good player,” said one NHL source. “I think it’s buyer beware when he’s signing his next contract … but as a rental? Awesome. He’s not going to be a first-line center. Let’s say it’s the Bruins, he’ll be their third center. Then he’s really good.”"

"7. Chris Kreider, Rangers: It would have to take a significant offer to lure Kreider away from the Rangers. He’s already hit 20 goals this season. He’s got another year left on a team-friendly deal that has a cap hit of $4.625 million. But Kreider may be the best example of what one GM was referring to when he pointed to the Rangers as a one-stop shop for buying teams. If you want a rental forward, they have one. If you want a veteran forward with a good contract, they have one of those too. Need help on defense? They have just about any kind of player you like there. “The New York Rangers – they have every flavor you can imagine,” said the executive."

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Gorton have been shopping all his players around the league. He is laying the groundwork for a big sell-off. Dolan doesn't know another big sell-off is coming? ;) Good work by Gorton. Seriously though, you can't order your players to "lose". But they are not dumb, the message get their anyway. Their teammates that can play are sent elsewhere and they have nothing to play for. Every article written about the team keep tracks of their "rivals" at the wrong end of the standings the last months before the season ends.

The last skid has put us in a position to go for a high pick in the draft. Gorton must go for that pick. You want Jack Hughes, Kaakoo can become really good, there should be a good player available at 3-4.
I hope that article plants a seed in the minds of rival gms. ‘ The Rangers are your one stop shop’.
 
I don't get it with Fox. He wants to play this year or he's gonna test UFA. Burn a year off his ELC and if he's good it will mess things up down the road. No thank you. Take a run at him when he's UFA this summer.

Nichuskin.....nope. I just don't see it with him. Lost cause. Waste of a spot/slot. He's not going to make Buch more consistent because they speak the same native langauge #RussianVoltron.
 
If we were to trade Kreider, then I become a rental for somebody.

So that's fun, I guess.

I’m going to be unreasonable. Unless trading Kreider brings back Makar, Kaut and Ottawa’s first, I will be down on any Kreider deal. I maintain that it’s more likely that keeping Kreider will have a greater benefit on this rebuild than any package that’s likely to come back.
 
Isn’t there a good chunk of players available this TDL? Wonder if it will be a buyer’s market.

The market could go either way, there are a number of bubble teams this year. That could either create a market where a lot of teams are trying to sell, or a lot of teams hoping to get into the playoffs.

Because of the weird system, and schedules being all over the map, the difference between picking 9th and 24th is something like six points - Tankathon | 2019 NHL Draft Order & Lottery Simulator

While those gaps will grow, I think you're still going to see some tight races and a number of teams who might be feeling that they need to take that big step forward this year.
 
I’m going to be unreasonable. Unless trading Kreider brings back Makar, Kaut and Ottawa’s first, I will be down on any Kreider deal. I maintain that it’s more likely that keeping Kreider will have a greater benefit on this rebuild than any package that’s likely to come back.

And that being the case, the Rangers are going to want to lock him sooner rather than later.
 
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