Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX

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Exactly, and they already dealt their next best forward in Suzuki for Patches. The Tatar deal was an extremely desperate, weird move value wise, and they’re already out two seconds next year as a result of their Tatar/Patches dealings. I don’t see them going another year without a first either unless they do something similar to the Hartman deal where they “buy” a young RFA.

That leaves us with Hague, Elvenes, and Morozov in a Hayes deal. Unless you’re getting two of those, it seems like an overall meh deal to me. I’m not a big fan of Lechyshyn, despite him being a key cog on Lethbridge after the trade with Regina.

Agreed, Brannstrom would be the target, but I don't see that happening.

I think the Rangers will get a very good return for Hayes. The question is how we define "very good."

Last year, I thought we got a very good return from TB, but some people were wanting to jump off a bridge. So it's likely to be a very subjective reaction.
 
Agreed, Brannstrom would be the target, but I don't see that happening.

I think the Rangers will get a very good return for Hayes. The question is how we define "very good."

Last year, I thought we got a very good return from TB, but some people were wanting to jump off a bridge. So it's likely to be a very subjective reaction.

It'll probably be for a very good prospect that most are not familiar with... ala Howden, Hajek, etc. So people will be initially underwhelmed.
 
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Agreed, Brannstrom would be the target, but I don't see that happening.

I think the Rangers will get a very good return for Hayes. The question is how we define "very good."

Last year, I thought we got a very good return from TB, but some people were wanting to jump off a bridge. So it's likely to be a very subjective reaction.
Par for the course when the expectations are set by the media - hey Brooksie, talking to you here: stop mentioning the Ottawa pick, Makar. Don’t even mention Trouba. Thanks. - it was totally unrealistic to expect Point or Sergachev for McDonagh, yet every other post mentioned them. The other issue is that the majority of people have never heard of, seen, or have more than a surface-level knowledge of prospects. So yes, if we get a Jack Studnika instead of Debrusk, it’s still a good move for us. The former was never happening barring a much bigger give from us, but the latter isn’t a sexy pick, but he’s crushing it in juniors right now. I feel like I’m on a hockey rodent style rant here, but a good PR team helps a lot in these scenarios. Having a less fanaticized media presence helps set better expectations too.

Caveat: yes, I understand the media can sometimes serve as a mouthpiece in trade negotiations, but I doubt it has *that* much of an effect.
 
Brannstrom was selected at #15. The Rangers are better off getting more picks and making smart selections. Miller and Lundqvist are examples.

You are not going to get multiple 1st's for Hayes.

Brannstrom > Miller. I'd take that deal in a heartbeat.
 
Are people forgetting that McD was actually injured? He didn't play for like another 10 days after being traded to Tampa. We are definitely being cautious with the Hayes situation but I don't think that we're holding him out for the next 7 weeks. I also think it would be uncharacteristic of Gorton to jump the gun and trade Hayes now, so I think this is some minor injury that will take another few days. He will probably the second of the two Isles games.
 
Par for the course when the expectations are set by the media - hey Brooksie, talking to you here: stop mentioning the Ottawa pick, Makar. Don’t even mention Trouba. Thanks. - it was totally unrealistic to expect Point or Sergachev for McDonagh, yet every other post mentioned them. The other issue is that the majority of people have never heard of, seen, or have more than a surface-level knowledge of prospects. So yes, if we get a Jack Studnika instead of Debrusk, it’s still a good move for us. The former was never happening barring a much bigger give from us, but the latter isn’t a sexy pick, but he’s crushing it in juniors right now. I feel like I’m on a hockey rodent style rant here, but a good PR team helps a lot in these scenarios. Having a less fanaticized media presence helps set better expectations too.

Caveat: yes, I understand the media can sometimes serve as a mouthpiece in trade negotiations, but I doubt it has *that* much of an effect.

The Hayes deal should, in theory, look similar to the Stastny deal last year --- but with a little higher yield.

Statsny was older, trending downward and had missed some time over the previous years.

So while you're asking for a better prospect than Foley, you're not getting a blue chipper either. I think the first is a given, and then we'd see what the potential additions are --- I 'd be somewhat surprised if something in there wasn't conditional (either on advancing in the playoffs, or Hayes resigning).
 
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I agree but a team will most likely be less apt to send said player in lieu of a 1st round pick. If you're Vegas, would you trade Brannstrom or LV 1st +

Of course they would rather trade the 1st, depending on the plus, but that doesn't mean Gorton has to accept it. That said, I'm not in love with the idea of acquiring Brannstrom anyway. He's undersized and plays the left side, where we already have a ton of depth. Will he end up being anything more than a PP specialist? Can he actually play against the other teams' top players? Can he play big minutes at even strength? Maybe I'm wrong, but he seems to be another player in the Shatty/ADA/Pionk mold. We need more beef on the back end.
 
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Of course they would rather trade the 1st, depending on the plus, but that doesn't mean Gorton has to accept it. That said, I'm not in love with the idea of acquiring Brannstrom anyway. He's undersized and plays the left side, where we already have a ton of depth. Will he end up being anything more than a PP specialist? Can he actually play against the other teams' top players? Can he play big minutes at even strength? Maybe I'm wrong, but he seems to be another player in the Shatty/ADA/Pionk mold. We need more beef on the back end.
Your Homework for today is to watch some Brannstrom videos. Having an LD like Brannstrom would be a significant boost to our blueline as we are devoid of offensive capability on our entire left side. Down the line having a pairing of Brannstrom - Lundkvist although undersized would be a nightmare for opposing teams. If they even do manage to get pinned in their own zone, both players are very capable to take care of their own zones and skate the puck out. Nils is very defensively sound, and Brannstrom is coming into his own as a blue-chip prospect.
 
draft less. trade more.

dont want more picks. i want players who can play.

no confidence in this staff and their (in)ability to draft difference makers.

I’m actually amazed at the love this board has for gordie Clark when he’s never drafted an impact high end player for this franchise. His best pick is Chris Kreider.

I don’t trust him at all. I don’t trust gorton either if he’s going to continue to let this guy make the decisions on who he brings in.

I agreed we needed to tear down but I don’t trust this management group to build it back up any differently than they just did. They normally draft guys with low upside but little chance of busting safe good players and when they do swing for the fences they always always miss. They fail in targeting prospects in trades or the draft that can be elite and actually become elite. They have the entire time they’ve been in charge.
 
I’m actually amazed at the love this board has for gordie Clark when he’s never drafted an impact high end player for this franchise. His best pick is Chris Kreider.

I don’t trust him at all. I don’t trust gorton either if he’s going to continue to let this guy make the decisions on who he brings in.

I agreed we needed to tear down but I don’t trust this management group to build it back up any differently than they just did. They normally draft guys with low upside but little chance of busting safe good players and when they do swing for the fences they always always miss. They fail in targeting prospects in trades or the draft that can be elite and actually become elite. They have the entire time they’ve been in charge.

Didn't the entire Canadian Juniors scouting staff just get replaced?
 
Are people forgetting that McD was actually injured? He didn't play for like another 10 days after being traded to Tampa. We are definitely being cautious with the Hayes situation but I don't think that we're holding him out for the next 7 weeks. I also think it would be uncharacteristic of Gorton to jump the gun and trade Hayes now, so I think this is some minor injury that will take another few days. He will probably the second of the two Isles games.

Could also be a delayed concussion.

That would be the worst case.
 
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The Hayes deal should, in theory, look similar to the Stastny deal last year --- but with a little higher yield.

Statsny was older, trending downward and had missed some time over the previous years.

So while you're asking for a better prospect than Foley, you're not getting a blue chipper either. I think the first is a given, and then we'd see what the potential additions are --- I 'd be somewhat surprised if something in there wasn't conditional (either on advancing in the playoffs, or Hayes resigning).
Statsny has a better reputation going into the trade year... So i guess theres two sides to any sword
 
Does Vegas want Shattenkirk? They tried to acquire Karlsson. RHD shooting D. Engelland and Miller are their only two RHD. McPhee could just wait until the summer & sign Karlsson as a free agent.

Nashville? They have Subban and Ellis but their PP is awful. Shattenkirk is good on the PP. He was good on the PP in St. Louis. The Rangers retain money to make Shattenkirk a decent priced 3rd pair D. Poile is an aggressive GM. It's now or never with that team. They can use another forward. Perhaps Zuccarello. Forsberg has returned from his injury. Shattenkirk was #3 on the depth chart on the Blues behind Pietrangelo and Parayko. He would be 3rd in Nashville behind Subban and Ellis.

Buffalo was reportedly one of the teams interested in signing Shattenkirk. They get him on a much cheaper contract.
 
Does Vegas want Shattenkirk? They tried to acquire Karlsson. RHD shooting D. Engelland and Miller are their only two RHD. McPhee could just wait until the summer & sign Karlsson as a free agent.

Nashville? They have Subban and Ellis but their PP is awful. Shattenkirk is good on the PP. He was good on the PP in St. Louis. The Rangers retain money to make Shattenkirk a decent priced 3rd pair D. Poile is an aggressive GM. It's now or never with that team. They can use another forward. Perhaps Zuccarello. Forsberg has returned from his injury. Shattenkirk was #3 on the depth chart on the Blues behind Pietrangelo and Parayko. He would be 3rd in Nashville behind Subban and Ellis.

Buffalo was reportedly one of the teams interested in signing Shattenkirk. They get him on a much cheaper contract.

I'm not sure Shattenkirk is tradeable at this point. As aUFA everyone considered him a offensive defenseman who had slightly below average defense but was a top level PPQB..

Now Shattenkirk is good in 0 of 3 zones. Horrible 5 on 5 and not good enough on the man advantage... You're selling a product with no pros and a couple cons
 
Statsny has a better reputation going into the trade year... So i guess theres two sides to any sword

I think he had more of a history, but there was also a sense that the 70, and probably the 60 point seasons were behind him.

Hayes is probably the opposite in that regard, a team is banking on him at least being what he is, and hoping maybe he's a little more in their system. We're also talking about a 5 year age difference at the time of the trades.

Overall, I think the value for Hayes will be higher. Not multiple assets higher, but I think it'll be there.
 
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moving 22 at this point is a cap dump.

gives him a chance to win a cup.

we have 44 and 77 who can both play the pp point.

no reason not to move 22 if we have a taker.

hes part of the problem. large cap hit and poor defensively, not effective offensively. seems slower and not healed. and he doesn't get any pp1 or pp2 time anyway.

if he can be moved, hes gone. ill drive him to the airport.
 
Hayes should take off the next 3 weeks. The Rangers play Boston on the 19th. They don't play again until the 29th. Let him get over his nagging injury and come back healthy for the remaining 14 games before the trading deadline.

The Rangers have 21 games left before the deadline. 20 games after the deadline. 7 games left before the All Star break.

@Vegas tonight
Islanders at home on Thursday
@Islanders in Brooklyn on Saturday afternoon 1pm
@Columbus on Sunday at 6pm. Columbus plays @Washington on Saturday night. Another Korpisalo start on Sunday? The Rangers haven't faced Bob yet.
Hurricanes at home next Tuesday. Winners of 4 straight. Big game against the Islanders tonight. 3 point game hopefully.
Hawks at home next Thursday. Hawks always play at MSG.
The Rangers are in Boston next Saturday.

The Columbus game is the only game where the opposing team plays the night before. The Rangers are also playing on Saturday.
 
i wonder if we could make a deal with the Flyers. Flyers are probably desperate to shake things up. Would anyone consider a deal with Hayes going to flyers for Nolan Patrick and other pieces?
 
With only 2 years left on his contract teams with short windows to win won’t be afraid to trade for Shattenkirk. I think term is what scares teams off more than anything.

I think the question is will he waive his nmc to go anywhere?
 
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