Amazing Kreiderman
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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVIV
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HFsNumber1Heel
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It's not a good look but I think in Gropp's case, he knows it's over.
It's crazy that while the summer of 2021 is going to be "The Great Cap Relief" for the Ranges, next summer in terms of the 50 contract slot they can really start cutting some dead weight: Gropp, Crawley, Belesky, Leedhal, Fontaine, Nieves, and Lettieri all probably will not be back. They can start taking shots on other NCAA FAs and European projects with new scouting.
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Yeah, I don’t think Gropp or Kovacs’s behavior point to anything at all. One is clearly at a crossroads in his career and it is hardly uncommon for guys in his position to act as he has; the other has well documented personal issues that make his case unique (and which made returning to his home country highly desirable). That said, however, there’s more than enough to cause worry in the fact that our 2017 and 2018 picks bailed within 2 months of each other.
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Good Intentions
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And those 'shots' will be more successful? All 32 organizations are looking for a needle in a haystack. All 32 organizations have 'dead weight' - the aforementioned players are NHL irrelevant, just as 95% of the ones to come will be.
Putting Gropp in the same conversation as Kravtsov and Andersson is silly. A former 2nd rounder, 23 year old questioning his future by not even being good enough for the AHL is very different than 2 recent top 10 picks picking up and leaving.
Hey you can't win the lottery if you can't buy the ticket. The more dead weight we can cut, the more chances we have to play the game.
That said, we're only at 46/50 and may have less after the deadline, so there's nothing really stopping us from buying those tickets now.
Good Intentions
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To an extent, but the infatuation and detail about some of these minor leaguers is too much for me. Granted, some of you guys ARE minor league focused, and that's fine - but the fact is the success rate is so minuscule for any of them to reach - let alone sustain an NHL level...No different from minor league baseball, you have player littered for spots because the spots need to be filled. They don't have any MLB future. Minor leagues exist to serve a need - and for one reason or other (ability, health, opportunity, timing, development, politics, etc etc) the vast majority of draft picks will be nothing more than minor leaguers. That's how it's always been and will always be.
Yeah but the other guy wasn't talking about draft picks, he was talking about the UDFAs. We've done very well with the UDFA players (and the college grads who become FAs). Georgiev, Pionk, Hayes, Vesey, Zuccarello, Lettieri, Talbot, etc.
With the possibility of play offs likely gone, is it possible to trade Smith to Detroit with Andersson or something? Let ADA and Fox do more PK-ing? Rangers need the cap space that Smith leaves, if not now so for next year.
Detroit is terrible and rebuilding, so I'm not sure why they'd want another year-plus of a guy that they were already willing to move on from. Unless the idea here is to use Andersson as a sweetener to take a bad contract. If so, I don't think I'm interested in just giving Andersson away at this point, and I actually think it's possible with money retained you can move Smith on his own.
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A couple things I thought up Christmas evening...
Chris Kreider for Aliaksei Protas + conditional 2nd/1st.
Ryan Strome for John Farinacci + Jan Jenik
Andersson for Tolvanen (Already discussed)
Chris Kreider for Aliaksei Protas + conditional 2nd/1st.
Ryan Strome for John Farinacci + Jan Jenik
Andersson for Tolvanen (Already discussed)
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I think putting Kravtsov in the same boat as Lias is not being fair to Kravtsov.
One thought he would be better off developing in Russia, the other is and has been a temperamental child.
They are not even remotely the same or close to the same situations.
One thought he would be better off developing in Russia, the other is and has been a temperamental child.
They are not even remotely the same or close to the same situations.
None of us are in the NYR or Hartford locker rooms. A lot happens that is not reported on.
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I'm not sure that is entirely true. All reports seem to indicate that Kravtsov mailed it in during his first stint in HFD after the demotion. So say that his attitude was great and he made the move purely for his own "development" may not be all that accurate.
Yes the idea was to use Andersson as a sweetener. If he is more or less a lost case for Rangers. And get rid of Smith without having to retain money. I hope Rangers can have some cap space if the right player suddenly is available.
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Kravtsov will figure it out, his skill set is much better than Lias, needs time to get over himself though
You’re right. It took Lias 66 NHL games and 74 games in Hartford before leaving.
Kravtsov left after 5 games...
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I really think Skjei should be told every 30 seconds, “stay out of the offense!” He, to me, is best when he stays back and dominates his side of the red line. He should only carry the puck when there’s no other choice or there’s a completely clear lane to the net.
Yet the same organization had it happen to them. It's not an either or, it's watching your first and 2nd rounders not pan out.
It's not too late for VK at all. I think he's got an NHL career ahead of him if he puts the work in.
But the other two are lost causes.
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And Kravtsov isn't looking to be traded, he was looking at what he though would have been a better development path.
That’s not true. He was pissed at his coach for benching him and left after 5 games.
Let’s not paint him out to be some saint since he came back here after Gorton stepped in after his demotion in the KHL.
Lias at least put in about 140 games between the NHL/AHL before making his decision.
I just don't think Gropp not reporting to the ECHL is indicative of anything with regards to the Rangers treatment of players or inability to recognize character concerns like the other two might be. A 2nd rounder not panning out is far from uncommon, and getting sent down to the ECHL as a 23 year old is basically saying he will never be an NHL player. He was given every opportunity to prove himself at the AHL level and never took the necessary steps. Not surprising someone that age would want to take some time to think about his future at that point.
pld459666
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We'll agree to disagree on Kravtsov motivation
I will be extra comfy leaning on ones history temperamental BS.
Lias has done nothing on the ice pro or minors to warrant any different treatment than he got.
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