Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVIV

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Quinn changes lines every game or every other game and yet could not give Andersson a shot. Really pisses me off with some of the logic being displayed.

This is a valid point. Aside from Lias earning a bigger role in pre-season, the fact that every player was moved around the line-up except him just makes it all the more frustrating for him.

 

[Cmox]

And Wall, from watching him play, has a good shot to be at least a quality backup/journeyman starter. IMO ofcourse.

I really want him to succeed because of his name. I’m selfish in my entertainment.

 

[Leetch3]

the myth of lias' preseason play has grown to laughable measures. against a bunch of non-nhlers he elevated his game from 'looks like a bust' to 'maybe he figured it out this summer'. he never earned anything, and the idea that he should have just been handed ice time over a few preseason games is his biggest problem.

his lack of ice time is always the excuse, but other guys have played limited minutes on the 4th line and lias did the least with those minutes out of all of them. and lets also so ignoring the fact that he went to the AHL against lesser competition and did little. he could have gone down there and proven quinn wrong but he didn't

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Yeah, still feels a little unnecessary that so much of it is wasted because we are a 2.5 line team. A solid 4th would make us a lot better.

A solid 4th line would help a lot. Another reason why trading Namestnikov was honestly just really dumb. This team's depth is brutal lmao. And guys like Staal who are truly detriments don't help either.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

People want to deny that Lias is simply a really bad player because of his draft position. Rangers had an opportunity to draft guys who were better prospects at the time of the draft and guys who are still better now(Suzuki, Brannstrom, Necas), and blew it. There's blame all around. Blame for Lias, blame for Gorton, blame for Quinn, blame for the Rangers scouts, blame for everyone. Top 10 picks should never be safe picks in the first place, so that's where the Rangers promptly went wrong.

But apparently the Rangers also wanted Makar and/or Pettersson so there's that.

 

[Avery16]

He could have. He may be really good in the NHL someday, but it isn't yet. If we have been talking about mishandling prospects in other threads, bringing him up now would be exactly that.

Only if we paired him with Brendan Smith.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

People want to deny that Lias is simply a really bad player because of his draft position. Rangers had an opportunity to draft guys who were better prospects at the time of the draft and guys who are still better now(Suzuki, Brannstrom, Necas), and blew it. There's blame all around. Blame for Lias, blame for Gorton, blame for Quinn, blame for the Rangers scouts, blame for everyone. Top 10 picks should never be safe picks in the first place, so that's where the Rangers promptly went wrong.

But apparently the Rangers also wanted Makar and/or Pettersson so there's that.

I’ll say it again, the Rangers should cut the pension from that scout who was retiring and begged the Rangers to take Lias

 

[leetch99]

We have to find a way then to be better then 18th on the PP....with the skill level between Mika and Panarin and Fox DeAngelo on the points we should be scoring more . I would like to see CK be a bit more aggressive with the defending D in front and make himself more of a nuisance if not plant somebody else in there for a few games , it has to be worth attempting . Sometimes I wonder about moving Mika or Panarin to the point and throwing Chytil out more often utilizing his reach and stick skills .

 

[LokiDog]

We have to find a way then to be better then 18th on the PP....with the skill level between Mika and Panarin and Fox DeAngelo on the points we should be scoring more . I would like to see CK be a bit more aggressive with the defending D in front and make himself more of a nuisance if not plant somebody else in there for a few games , it has to be worth attempting . Sometimes I wonder about moving Mika or Panarin to the point and throwing Chytil out more often utilizing his reach and stick skills .

If I was Quinn I would tell Lemmy he’s on the top PP next game but has one job - be the biggest pain in the ass in front of the net you can. Do that, keep pucks alive in the corner when needed and I’ll give you an extended look up there.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

We have to find a way then to be better then 18th on the PP....with the skill level between Mika and Panarin and Fox DeAngelo on the points we should be scoring more . I would like to see CK be a bit more aggressive with the defending D in front and make himself more of a nuisance if not plant somebody else in there for a few games , it has to be worth attempting . Sometimes I wonder about moving Mika or Panarin to the point and throwing Chytil out more often utilizing his reach and stick skills .

CK has had more than enough years to learn what to do in front of the net and it's unlikely he's going to change his modus operandi now. Rangers don't score more because they're only set up for the one-timers from the circles or cross-ice backdoor feeds, which are becoming very predictable and defendable. And don't forget all the perimeter passing. I can't remember the last time they had a high-quality shot from the slot.

 

[pld459666]

We have to find a way then to be better then 18th on the PP....with the skill level between Mika and Panarin and Fox DeAngelo on the points we should be scoring more . I would like to see CK be a bit more aggressive with the defending D in front and make himself more of a nuisance if not plant somebody else in there for a few games , it has to be worth attempting . Sometimes I wonder about moving Mika or Panarin to the point and throwing Chytil out more often utilizing his reach and stick skills .

CK in front of the net on the PP is the leas of the problem.

Quinn hits the nail on the head about accepting passes and instead of having a plan in place before they get the puck they stick handle looking for the next pass when they should already know where they are going with it, before they get it.

 

[mike14]

I’ll say it again, the Rangers should cut the pension from that scout who was retiring and begged the Rangers to take Lias

If the Rangers actually did that (used a #7, or really any pick, just to appease a retiring staff member) then the issues for the team are huge, and none of those issues are the retiring scout or his pension....

 

[aufheben]

I saw a Kings fan offer a ‘20 3rd + ‘21 5th for Lias. I’d take that and run.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I saw a Kings fan offer a ‘20 3rd + ‘21 5th for Lias. I’d take that and run.

That’s pretty much nothing. I’d rather have Lias go back to Sweden to work on his game, see if we can’t get him to come back improved and with a new coaching staff.

 

[haohmaru]

I saw a Kings fan offer a ‘20 3rd + ‘21 5th for Lias. I’d take that and run.

The Rangers should give him a few weeks to think about what just happened and welcome him, and his new attitude, back to Hartford next year.

Wishful thinking, but it's probably what's best for everyone involved. I don't think he's in many NHL starting lineups from 1-31.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Hate to break it to y'all, but one of the guys that has been a problem on the PP is Zibanejad. He needs to be back in the bumper. Bread left wall, Buch right wall. Kreider net-front. ADA/Fox QB. Don't get why they refuse to move Mika back into the bumper and why they refuse to use the bumper in the first place.

 

[aufheben]

That’s pretty much nothing. I’d rather have Lias go back to Sweden to work on his game, see if we can’t get him to come back improved and with a new coaching staff.

An early 3rd plus a 5th is essentially a 2nd round pick. Would anyone here trade a 2nd round pick for Lias Andersson? People were upset about the Fox trade FFS.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

CK has had more than enough years to learn what to do in front of the net and it's unlikely he's going to change his modus operandi now. Rangers don't score more because they're only set up for the one-timers from the circles or cross-ice backdoor feeds, which are becoming very predictable and defendable. And don't forget all the perimeter passing. I can't remember the last time they had a high-quality shot from the slot.

Exactly. CK in front of the net isn't even the PP issue. The issue is their lack of puck movement through the bumper spot/never looking to set up the bumper guy for shots. Not to mention that they don't have a shooting threat from up top. ADA has a muffin, so does Fox. Trouba has a hard shot but the guy can't pass lmao.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

An early 3rd plus a 5th is essentially a 2nd round pick. Would anyone here trade a 2nd round pick for Lias Andersson? People were upset about the Fox trade FFS.

Yeah lmao, I don't see why fans have huge expectations for a Lias trade. Guy is a 7th pick who has done nothing but fail thus far, he's a reclamation project. Who's trading a top 62 pick for that, honestly?

 

[Good Intentions]

This is a valid point. Aside from Lias earning a bigger role in pre-season, the fact that every player was moved around the line-up except him just makes it all the more frustrating for him.

If we are in a court of law, your case is a desperate one. Lias was frustrated? We are frustrated that he never showed a semblance of an NHL talent. A 21-year-old "moved around the lineup" - such a concept. The Lias apologists are not doing it for me.

 

[Minmonster]

Don't understand the interest in Galchenyuk. He's getting worse every year. If he can't produce in Pittsburgh, what is he going to do here playing with less talented players?

Agreed that galchenyuk is a big risk but it's the rest of this year to see whether he can catch lightning or just don't resign him. He is only 26 and there is high end skill that he possesses. Maybe shift him to wing. Believe me I would be happy with a better return. I just don't believe Rangers want to drag this thing out. It's like a bad marriage and one of them has gown public

 

[Good Intentions]

Hate to break it to y'all, but one of the guys that has been a problem on the PP is Zibanejad. He needs to be back in the bumper. Bread left wall, Buch right wall. Kreider net-front. ADA/Fox QB. Don't get why they refuse to move Mika back into the bumper and why they refuse to use the bumper in the first place.

4,000 miles away sounds perfect - I like Buch on the right side of the Berlin wall as well.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

If we are in a court of law, your case is a desperate one. Lias was frustrated? We are frustrated that he never showed a semblance of an NHL talent. A 21-year-old "moved around the lineup" - such a concept. The Lias apologists are not doing it for me.

Trying to nderstand a situation isn't the same as making excuses/defending it.

 

[Good Intentions]

Trying to nderstand a situation isn't the same as making excuses/defending it.

As the European guru as you are (being serious), can you fathom how poorly he has translated? Leaving the inadequate play be, let’s talk about character. Future captain material? Where?! This guy was billed as the epitome of leadership and character. All I’ve seen is an awkward, undersized, poor skating grunt. Swedish captain? He seems closer to the antithesis! It deeply confuses me. Tell me what I’m missing, please.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

As the European guru as you are (being serious), can you fathom how poorly he has translated? Leaving the inadequate play be, let’s talk about character. Future captain material? Where?! This guy was billed as the epitome of leadership and character. All I’ve seen is an awkward, undersized, poor skating grunt. Swedish captain? He seems closer to the antithesis! It deeply confuses me. Tell me what I’m missing, please.

Lias has been great in the years leading up to the draft. He was then solid in his D+1 season both with Frölunda and Hartford. Whatever led to him never taking that next step is up for debate. But to say he simply doesn't have the talent is just wrong in my opinion.

Did Yakupov not have any talent? Or Brendl? Sometimes players just don't take that next step. With Lias, there are factors that could have led to that. Did the Rangers bring him over too early? Was he given a fair chance under Quinn? Did he handle the demotion the right way?

What could the player or the organization have done differently? I like to look at these situations with a broader view, and try to understand both sides. I get why Quinn prefers Howden with the style of hockey he is used to. I understand Lias being frustrated for not getting a shot on the 3rd line after being better than Howden in pre-season (Not really turning this into a Howden vs Lias debate).

While this situation is bad for both sides, I refuse to jump to the conclusion that it's all set and done and Lias is now a bust who will never accomplish anything in the NHL. He is only 21. A lot can happen. Zuccarello only came over at age 23, only became an NHL regular at age 26. Drouin has gone through this situation wanting a trade. Players like Fox, Vesey, Kerfoot, Hayes, Butcher, Puljujarvi have either refused to sign with the team owning their rights or simply requested a trade. It happens more frequently recently for whatever reason.

Fans being upset with the situation is fine. I just don't want to simply blame one side for this. Quinn didn't give him a chance after a good pre-season, Lias didn't handle that well and let it affect his play. Are the front office and coaching staff on the same page regarding the prospects and development? It's something to at least discuss.

I am one of Lias' biggest fans, but I am really disappointed in his behavior lately. With the way he handled this situation. But I can understand why he feels this way, without justifying it.