Roster Building Thread : Part XVIII ( TDL is March 7th)

[leetch99]

He is properly slotted. That wasn't the point. The point is, where's the fire?

Fox being on the Rangers, doing what he's doing for the Rangers, and the money he's making to do that, don't warrant alarmism.

If people suggested we move on from him, just on the basis of wanting to rebuild, that's one thing.

That's not what's happening. People are suggesting we get rid of him over and over and over again, with the same exact comments every day, because they don't like him. That's different from doing it with a bad player.

Hell, Panarin is a good player and @GoAwayPanarin manages to not be annoying about it. It comes up every so often, and there's nuance and a tangible solution that's offered even if I have disagreed with it in the past.

The people going off about Fox just don't like Fox and it's their entire personality. They have no interest in a tangible solution. They just don't like Fox.

You absolutely cannot compare that to "let's stop playing these #7's in our top 4."

You should stop....your pro Fox bias is glaring . Fox talk/Lindgren talk.....is all talk . It is a discussion forum....try and leave it as one . I have been here for 17 + ? years....it's not hard to skip past the people and topics one does not like or agree with , Maybe the Mods should be pointing that out or don't be a Mod . We have an IGNORE feature.....tutor people on how to use it .

 

[RangerBoy]

Panarin isn't the problem, only forward that creates any offense on this team.

What's the plan with Panarin? Can he play the right way? If the coach wants him to play a certain style, is Panarin willing to adjust? It's the same story every year with this group. Quinn was too tough on them and he was a micromanager. Gallant was the opposite and they needed more structure. Laviolette has lost the team after less than two seasons. Isn't Panarin part of the problem? It can't be all on Kreider being a big bitch.

 

[RangerBoy]

Kreider has completely checked out it's obvious. I respect Mika and Trocheck for trying to rally the team. They havent played fantastic but theyve been scoring and if anything struggling because they are trying and being asked to do to much. Panarin's words of encouragement in English every 3 weeks after a stinker contribute nothing

This entire core group needs to be flushed down the toilet.

 

[Machinehead]

You should stop....your pro Fox bias is glaring . Fox talk/Lindgren talk.....is all talk . It is a discussion forum....try and leave it as one . I have been here for 17 + ? years....it's not hard to skip past the people and topics one does not like or agree with , Maybe the Mods should be pointing that out or don't be a Mod . We have an IGNORE feature.....tutor people on how to use it .

It's not hard to avoid posting about players you personally don't like every day, in almost every post.

Let's leave the moderating to the moderators.

 

[pld459666]

you asked for it, toyota, when I get time this weekend, I'll fully call you out
til then

@haohmaru

You just wait.....

 

[Bob Richards]

You should stop....your pro Fox bias is glaring . Fox talk/Lindgren talk.....is all talk . It is a discussion forum....try and leave it as one . I have been here for 17 + ? years....it's not hard to skip past the people and topics one does not like or agree with , Maybe the Mods should be pointing that out or don't be a Mod . We have an IGNORE feature.....tutor people on how to use it .

I have never used the ignore feature and never will. Poster’s honor runs deep. If others here must suffer my nonsense then I must suffer theirs.

When this place finally crashes for good I will see you all in HF Valhalla.

 

[Mike in Houston]

I have never used the ignore feature and never will. Poster’s honor runs deep. If others here must suffer my nonsense then I must suffer theirs.

When this place finally crashes for good I will see you all in HF Valhalla.

Neither will I. I just take long breaks because of the redundancy of the same people shitting on the same players every freaking day.

 

[haohmaru]

@haohmaru

You just wait.....

It's not like I haven't read his posts for the last 10-15 years. I'm not going to cut and paste retaliate though, my hands would get tired from holding the scissors that long. I should just cut bait and /ignore then I'd really be "learning".

 

[Filip Chytil]

Did previous teams that had Panarin run into the same problem eventually where his teammates adopt too much of an east/west game? Or is this exclusively a Rangers problem?

 

[GAGLine]

Did previous teams that had Panarin run into the same problem eventually where his teammates adopt too much of an east/west game? Or is this exclusively a Rangers problem?

He was only in Chicago for 2 years, and in Columbus for 2 years. In Columbus, he played under Torts, who wouldn't have let him get away with the stuff Gallant, and to a lesser extent Lavi, have with the Rangers.

Say what you want about Quinn, and maybe it was the influence of Torts, but Panarin was a different player his first 2 years as a Ranger.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Seattle also sold off. It’s hard to keep players entirely engaged defensively (not just Kakko)
When you sell off.

It will be very interesting what kind of contract will Seattle give KK. Will they be looking at the assists or the goals? I believe he only has eight even strength goals this season and one of those may have been an empty net. Will it be a long term deal at a top 6 money level or another short term low money prove it deal?

 

[jerseyjinx94]

The vibes around this team are so bad that everyone wants a different player or all gone and it’s just not gonna happen. It’s miserable being a Rangers fan. This has been one of the most miserable seasons I can remember

 

[The Crypto Guy]

This season seriously cannot end soon enough to start the purge.

13 games to go. Let's get a nice draft pick. Top 10 would be excellent.

 

[will1066]

Panarin isn't the problem, only forward that creates any offense on this team.

He can be simultaneously a provider and a problem

 

[UnparalledPark]

He was only in Chicago for 2 years, and in Columbus for 2 years. In Columbus, he played under Torts, who wouldn't have let him get away with the stuff Gallant, and to a lesser extent Lavi, have with the Rangers.

Say what you want about Quinn, and maybe it was the influence of Torts, but Panarin was a different player his first 2 years as a Ranger.

Maybe Strome was more valuable then we thought.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

This season seriously cannot end soon enough to start the purge.

13 games to go. Let's get a nice draft pick. Top 10 would be excellent.

Someone said I dont understand why anyone would want them to miss the playoffs.

I understand the rationale, with some young players getting a taste (although the coaching staff has shown that they refuse to trust anyone other than the vets so im not sure how enriching it will be).

For me - the more they squeak through getting a point here, a lowly win there, only solidifies their mediocrity and provides false hope.

This season sucks. The attitudes suck. The habits suck. The effort sucks. Nothing has been consistent but that.

Cut bait, draft higher and make some impact moves over the summer. Of course they wont quit (or have they?), but sliding further down in the standings will help the future. There are teams piled up in the same spot and if things break right they could find themselves with a good pick. And i dont care about it sliding to next year. I don't see them being this bad with a roster shakeup and hopefully a new coach/system. Im willing to take that risk.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Someone said I dont understand why anyone would want them to miss the playoffs.

I understand the rationale, with some young players getting a taste (although the coaching staff has shown that they refuse to trust anyone other than the vets so im not sure how enriching it will be).

For me - the more they squeak through getting a point here, a lowly win there, only solidifies their mediocrity and provides false hope.

This season sucks. The attitudes suck. The habits suck. The effort sucks. Nothing has been consistent but that.

Cut bait, draft higher and make some impact moves of the summer.

Bingo, this is exactly it.

There is absolutely nothing about this season that was good aside from Cuylle continuing to improve. A lot of us said after last season the core needed to change, but Drury wanted to run it one more time, and it failed more miserably than we could have even expected. And it all stemmed from the Country Club boys getting all butthurt that Goodrow was moved and Drury trying to move Trouba in the summer. Nobody came to play this season thanks to the Vets who set the precedent.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Bingo, this is exactly it.

There is absolutely nothing about this season that was good aside from Cuylle continuing to improve. A lot of us said after last season the core needed to change, but Drury wanted to run it one more time, and it failed more miserably than we could have even expected.

I've said it all along from September.

Whether the cap "forced" Drury to run it back or not (I dont think it did) - that was the worst decision.

They werent good enough then and slapping a Cup or bust sticker on the team in camp was damning. The players knew they weren't that good and as soon as they faced adversity they crumbled.

The year prior, new coach, attainable daily goals.
This year, go all the way or we dismantle the group.

Well we all know where that ended up - and it didnt take half the season to figure it out.

 

[SA16]

Someone said I dont understand why anyone would want them to miss the playoffs.

I understand the rationale, with some young players getting a taste (although the coaching staff has shown that they refuse to trust anyone other than the vets so im not sure how enriching it will be).

For me - the more they squeak through getting a point here, a lowly win there, only solidifies their mediocrity and provides false hope.

This season sucks. The attitudes suck. The habits suck. The effort sucks. Nothing has been consistent but that.

Cut bait, draft higher and make some impact moves over the summer. Of course they wont quit (or have they?), but sliding further down in the standings will help the future. There are teams piled up in the same spot and if things break right they could find themselves with a good pick. And i dont care about it sliding to next year. I don't see them being this bad with a roster shakeup and hopefully a new coach/system. Im willing to take that risk.

Like the trade deadline, I don't think their decisions for the future will be affected based on whether or not they make the playoffs. They traded away the rentals even as they moved closer to a playoff spot.

 

[Overcast]

Maybe Strome was more valuable then we thought.

Damn, so Strome was the glue guy this whole time keeping this roster in check? Maybe the real treasure was the Ryans we found along the way.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Like the trade deadline, I don't think their decisions for the future will be affected based on whether or not they make the playoffs. They traded away the rentals even as they moved closer to a playoff spot.

Yes and I was good with that, although the players returned and extended could be debated.

Maybe its foolish to think 10-12 spots in the draft will amount to anything down the road, but the way this season has gone I'm fine with lighting it all on fire.

 

[Alluckks]

Strongly agree on Kreider but not so sure on the others. Think Panarin plays out his deal. Then maybe Perrault can step into the top six. Mika has been terrific as a winger. Schneider I also don’t see being moved. He’s Drury’s prototype defenseman.

I get the fair counterpoints, but Drury has shown he really really wants to tear the guts out of this thing. And he doesn't want to hold guys with 1 year on their deal.

Also, with Schneider, trading for and extending a RD in Borgen that is clearly ahead of him on the depth chart, and then giving Schneider no run at all on LD when they are clearly lacking there by running out guys like Vaak, says to me he is a trade candidate.

I agree with the prototype, but there is something there. He is worth more in a trade than he is playing 14 minutes a night on your 3rd pair.

 

[SA16]

I get the fair counterpoints, but Drury has shown he really really wants to tear the guts out of this thing. And he doesn't want to hold guys with 1 year on their deal.

Also, with Schneider, trading for and extending a RD in Borgen that is clearly ahead of him on the depth chart, and then giving Schneider no run at all on LD when they are clearly lacking there by running out guys like Vaak, says to me he is a trade candidate.

I agree with the prototype, but there is something there. He is worth more in a trade than he is playing 14 minutes a night on your 3rd pair.

The Schneider situation is weird. The constantly say that he is untouchable yet he's been stuck on the 3rd pair for years and every time he gets a chance to move up they bring in someone else to move him back down. Considering he's pretty much permanently stuck in a 3rd pair role, isn't very good, and apparently is in high demand in the trade market he should be a pretty obvious candidate to move to get a player at a position of weakness.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Lavi needs to go with the core.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Someone said I dont understand why anyone would want them to miss the playoffs.

I understand the rationale, with some young players getting a taste (although the coaching staff has shown that they refuse to trust anyone other than the vets so im not sure how enriching it will be).

For me - the more they squeak through getting a point here, a lowly win there, only solidifies their mediocrity and provides false hope.

This season sucks. The attitudes suck. The habits suck. The effort sucks. Nothing has been consistent but that.

Cut bait, draft higher and make some impact moves over the summer. Of course they wont quit (or have they?), but sliding further down in the standings will help the future. There are teams piled up in the same spot and if things break right they could find themselves with a good pick. And i dont care about it sliding to next year. I don't see them being this bad with a roster shakeup and hopefully a new coach/system. Im willing to take that risk.

I want them to win as much as possible and give up the pick this year. All bets are off the table with the pick next year.