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Roster Building Thread : Part XVIII ( TDL is March 7th)
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It's all so tiresome
Igor has been just as good as he has been except for his Vezina season. And the team sucks with what you could call an average roster. Unfortunately the goalie can only do so much. The roster needs to be drastically upgraded.
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I mean he’s fine, i’m not beating on the guy like some people, but i do think he’s been more inconsistent this year. If he’s even a little better we we are in the playoffs.
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Comparing Sam gagner to Adam Fox sure seems like a legit way to go about it. If fox is as indispensable here as some claim then there should have been an implosion the likes when leetch drunkenly broke his ankle.
It's hilarious how the sample size gets dismissed to support fox and yet when quick comes in and plays some good games people use it as a reason to devalue Igor. Funny how the double standards continue based on who's being talked about.
I have been inspired to come up w/a solution to what to do about Kreider.
I am not sure, but I think if a guy 111% retires due to injury [as opposed to a buy out and the guy becomes a free agent], I think there may be some flexibility that could serve us here.
Say we buy Kreider out immediately, every penny.
We give him a contract as a specialty coach so he can hang with the team and try to help Rempe and some of the other big guys knocking on the door in a season or 2.
We also say IF and when his back is 111% sufficiently healed, THEN and in that event, we will give him a full chance to return as a player. It is agreed this cannot take place until calendar year 2026 at the very earliest, and may be longer if league rules require same.
Now we did the right thing by one of our best ever Fs, and we recover full pop on CK salary.
Side benefit is it sends message to shesty, zib etc we are breaking it up, this can be easy, or it can be rough
Is there any NHL rules/protocol that dramatically disallows the above scenario?
I am not sure, but I think if a guy 111% retires due to injury [as opposed to a buy out and the guy becomes a free agent], I think there may be some flexibility that could serve us here.
Say we buy Kreider out immediately, every penny.
We give him a contract as a specialty coach so he can hang with the team and try to help Rempe and some of the other big guys knocking on the door in a season or 2.
We also say IF and when his back is 111% sufficiently healed, THEN and in that event, we will give him a full chance to return as a player. It is agreed this cannot take place until calendar year 2026 at the very earliest, and may be longer if league rules require same.
Now we did the right thing by one of our best ever Fs, and we recover full pop on CK salary.
Side benefit is it sends message to shesty, zib etc we are breaking it up, this can be easy, or it can be rough
Is there any NHL rules/protocol that dramatically disallows the above scenario?
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Your double standard argument would hold more merit if it was being used against someone who actually argued that. Straw man your way all the way there. Gagner had nothing to do with Fox lmao it was entirely about sample size, which you obviously understood
What other examples do you want for sample size? The point was that small sample sizes are incredibly stupid. I could have made the example using the damn stock market, would you then argue that Adam Fox is being compared to Microsoft stock?
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This is better than when you wanted Sather to pay Marc Staal's mortgage as a condition of a trade
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What are you talking about
I used the example to explain how small sample sizes are dumb to use, regardless of what is being evaluated. It had nothing to do with comparing one player to another. If I edit it to say "one time Jeremy Lin was considered a top 5 point guard in the NBA for a month" would you say that I compared Adam Fox to Jeremy Lin?
It had nothing to do with what players I used, what sport I used, or even topic. The entire crux of my point to you was that your sample size was miserably small and makes your point not have as much merit as you thought it did. Then in your response you must have really missed that. You also then did some weird diverting to a conversation about Igor and Quick which no one has talked about comparing the two in god knows how long, and I know that I never have.
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I'm not going to have an argument about another argument based on lack of comprehension or a simple desire to argue. I had ex's that were about that nonsense. Don't need it here
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What are you even talking about lmao
I can break it down super easily for you to answer
I know the Rangers are on and doing their usual playing like shit thing, so this is a legit question, are you drunk?
Second question - do you know what a sample size is?
-- Follow up to that if yes - do you get why a sample size of 10 games might not be really relevant to your Adam Fox point that you thought you were making?
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Brother, you're on a discussion board, we ain't sleeping together
You want to advocate, on a discussion board, for trading away a team's top player in his 20s signed long term, and then want to completely ignore an honest conversation about it and bring up your own personal life instead
It boggles the mind
PSA to all: These are the people screaming to trade Adam Fox lmao
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No I'm chosing to stop this bc when people start posting something and then using what they themselves posted as some backdoor example of how another person is being unreasonable based on something they never actually said then there is just no point continuing the "discussion." That's when people are baited into arguing about (for/against) something they never said in the first place for being wedged into being responsible for something they never said in the first place. It's just something I'm not going to fall for or engage in. Carry on...
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Adam Fox is 7th fastest D to 300 assists in NHL history and he's only 26.
How's that sample size?
How's that sample size?
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Panarin has 73 pts in 67 games this year, why is everyone complaining about him?
Points aren't everything in this game...
As for sample size, the team is killing it since Fox came back. Absolutely on fire again today. Can say that they have been consistently awful all season whether fox is in or out of the lineup. Huge impacts he has...
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If Dolan retains Chris Drury for next season, I'm done. It'll show me that Dolan is completely apathetic towards this team.
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Oh that's rich, blame the guy coming off an injury and probably playing with another injury as to why the TEAM is losing.
I'm not complaining about Panarin either.
When a guy is one of 7 players in a HUNDRED YEARS to do something it's not just about "points".
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Do you think that 10 games is a good enough sample size for your argument to show that the Rangers did not miss Adam Fox and presumably that he does not add much to the team?
Because my point was there there can be a lot of volatility when you use small sample sizes. Using a 1 game sample size where an otherwise mediocre player (Sam Gagner) scored a lot of points (8) is using a hyperbolic example to emphasize that. It shows that the small number of games may not be properly reflective. Similarly, you said that when Quick had done well people used that as a disingenuous argument to discredit Igor and his contribution to the team. I never have made any Quick vs Igor comments like that, but it does show that you understand a small sample size with Quick is not properly or fairly reflective to compare him to Igor.
If your issue was with me using Sam Gagner and him doing really well in a small sample size, I could conversely use a really good player like Brady Tkachuk and how he had a 10 game streak just this January without scoring a single point. That doesn't mean that he is some destitute player who never scores. It shows that a 10 game sample size is not enough to have anywhere close to a proper evaluation and therefore is improper to use when trying to make a point.
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Yep. We've been Drury'd
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Very high odds Drury is back next year. Lavy is a different story. Dolan has non-issue canning his executives in season. Drury has survived this mess through the war with the players. Dolan is not likely to pull the rug out from him now when Drury has not completed whatever reshaping plan he sold Dolan on in the fall when this whole mess was brewing under the public surface.
What could be interesting is if Drury shifts to a separate president of hockey ops role and then bring is a new gm/coach tandem. Could be some interesting things this summer
Fiala would be despised and four more years at nearly $8m? No f***ing thanks
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There is absolutely no legitimate or valid reason to bring back Chris Drury. He's responsible for this shitfest more than anyone.
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