Roster Building Thread : Part XVIII ( TDL is March 7th)

[effen]

Did I upset you again because I suggested trading Adam Fox?

 

[effen]

If you're of the opinion that Panarin's style of play is affecting other players who try to play the same way but can't because they aren't as talented, then, to me, that's a coaching problem, not a Panarin problem.

Been 3 coaches with the same issues of the coach begging them to stop forcing E/W shit when it's not working. At this point, it's Panarin.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Panarin isn't the problem, only forward that creates any offense on this team.

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

2025 off season wishlist
- name Fox captain
- acquire another top 4 D via FA or trade
- keep Jones
- fire Lavi
- trade at least 1 hopefully both of Mika and Kreider
- get another middle 6 forward who isnt old and pushes the pace

 

[Guyute]

Kakko is on a 51 point pace over 82 games now with the Kraken (37 game sample size). He’s pretty much the same player that we had on the Rangers. Stretches of great 2-way play and long stretches of MIA.

 

[Alluckks]

So you're asserting that he's entirely so good and yet what's happening around him?

The dumpster fire team just went 3-3-2 without him and had 23gf and 20ga during that time along with two shutouts.

30-27-4 with him this year with 182gf and 186ga

For a player that is so victimized by how bad his own team and d partners are and who also apparently should be a Norris candidate based on what you peddling it's weird how there was all no discernible collapsed while he was out. That's just so weird...

10 game sample size is all I need to close the books

Sam Gagner once scored 8 points in 1 game

 

[LeetchisGod]

Kakko is on a 51 point pace over 82 games now with the Kraken (37 game sample size). He’s pretty much the same player that we had on the Rangers. Stretches of great 2-way play and long stretches of MIA.

He has no elite offensive skills. He's an overhyped grinder.

 

[Siddi]

This team is doing everything possible to mess up another young player in Cuylle. Thankfully Cuylle seems to have the mental and physical ability to overcome unlike Kakko/Lafreniere.

It's a joke this kid hasn't been able to play pp1 and be one of the 6 on the ice with empty net with over 2 min left in the game. Instead the corpses of Kreider and 93 are on the ice for 150 seconds with the empty net.

Kreider I get but Mika?

Top 3 since Jan 1st:
Bread - 34 points in 33 games
Mika - 28 points in 33 games
Vinny - 23 points in 33 games

Cuylle since Jan 1st - 14 points in 33 games.
Kreider since Jan 1st - 9 points in 23 games

 

[Mike in Houston]

Panarin isn't the problem, only forward that creates any offense on this team.

Only issue with him is the insistence on east/west. Other than that he's been a great free agent signing.

 

[haohmaru]

nope
I usually consider most other viewpoints
I then take pains to show why mine is correct or deserves consideration as more/most valid in comparison to others

Rempe is a good example here.
Nobody insisted as I did that to give this kid more minutes here was the correct course. I was mocked. Until I wasn't. Because I was right.
I don't get them all right all the time.
But I do get most of them right most of the time.

your false narrative to throw shade at me for not capitulating to the herd mentality is rebuffed here in the open

Rempe is a good example of what? A fringe NHL'er getting 4th line minutes? A guy who takes a penalty every game and costs his team as much as he contributes? I mean, I hope he makes progress and does turn into a bona fide 10+ minute a night guy. Right now, you weren't "right" about him. He's averaging 8 minutes a night. That's not a "good example" that I'd hang my hat on.

Robertson? Garand? Vesey and Lindgren having no trade value? Nieves?

"Most of the time" my ass.

 

[bernmeister]

Rempe is a good example of what? A fringe NHL'er getting 4th line minutes? A guy who takes a penalty every game and costs his team as much as he contributes? I mean, I hope he makes progress and does turn into a bona fide 10+ minute a night guy. Right now, you weren't "right" about him. He's averaging 8 minutes a night. That's not a "good example" that I'd hang my hat on.

Robertson? Garand? Vesey and Lindgren having no trade value? Nieves?

"Most of the time" my ass.

you asked for it, toyota, when I get time this weekend, I'll fully call you out
til then

 

[NickyFotiu]

Kakko is on a 51 point pace over 82 games now with the Kraken (37 game sample size). He’s pretty much the same player that we had on the Rangers. Stretches of great 2-way play and long stretches of MIA.

Sort of a mixed bag so far. KK assists are way up this season. He gets credit for that but his goal scoring is actually down compared to previous seasons despite the huge minutes and PP time. His plus/minus has collasped as well. A minus 10 in 37 games on Seattle. KK had a good month of Jan but fell back to normal in Feb and March.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Sort of a mixed bag so far. KK assists are way up this season. He gets credit for that but his goal scoring is actually down compared to previous seasons despite the huge minutes and PP time. His plus/minus has collasped as well. A minus 10 in 37 games on Seattle. KK had a good month of Jan but fell back to normal in Feb and March.

Seattle also sold off. It’s hard to keep players entirely engaged defensively (not just Kakko)
When you sell off.

 

[egelband]

Kreider feels 100% gone

1 of Panarin or Zibs feels more likely than not to be gone

Schneider feels like the writing is on the wall for him to be in a trade to bring back a young top 6 skill scoring player

Strongly agree on Kreider but not so sure on the others. Think Panarin plays out his deal. Then maybe Perrault can step into the top six. Mika has been terrific as a winger. Schneider I also don’t see being moved. He’s Drury’s prototype defenseman.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Seattle also sold off. It’s hard to keep players entirely engaged defensively (not just Kakko)
When you sell off.

Kakkos game hasn’t fallen off.

His teammates and him just stopped shooting nearly 20% when they were out there. His numbers under the hood have remained bascially what they were with the Rangers (a little worse at ES now even.)

People here freaked out because he got hot for 7 games.

 

[Overcast]

Strongly agree on Kreider but not so sure on the others. Think Panarin plays out his deal. Then maybe Perrault can step into the top six. Mika has been terrific as a winger. Schneider I also don’t see being moved. He’s Drury’s prototype defenseman.

I have a strange sinking feeling that Perreault is going to be traded and blow the f*** up somewhere else. This is based on absolutely nothing other than being a pessimistic lifelong Rangers fan.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Panarin isn't the problem, only forward that creates any offense on this team.

If the goal is to win a cup, then Panarin is a problem. His contract has negative value in the playoffs.

If the goal is to not be a heaping pile of shit in the regular season, then Panarin is a beacon of hope.

 

[Machinehead]

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That's right

 

[McRanger92]

Kreider I get but Mika?

Top 3 since Jan 1st:
Bread - 34 points in 33 games
Mika - 28 points in 33 games
Vinny - 23 points in 33 games

Cuylle since Jan 1st - 14 points in 33 games.
Kreider since Jan 1st - 9 points in 23 games

Using points as a measure of anything this season is completely useless in my opinion. The issue is with how they play. Mika has been better since January but like, he still makes 5 boneheaded plays a game. Stuff a 10 year vet shouldnt be doing. Panarin, Trocheck, Mika can get all the points they want but they all still play soft perimeter hockey and it stems from the PP. I think Mika probably sticks around and he has shown enough that I at least think he cares. He's also a force on the PK, thats undeniable. Same as Trocheck going forward. With Panarin and Kreider, they are moveable and their time is up on this team. We have to go in a different direction for the good of the franchise. Do people really want to run it back without more major changes? Last game was the point of no return for me.

 

[haohmaru]

you asked for it, toyota, when I get time this weekend, I'll fully call you out
til then

Okay Yugo.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Panarin isn't the problem, only forward that creates any offense on this team.

Yea in a nice open east/west game. When the big games start and things get tight and physical, he has to play a north/sound game he’s gone.

He’s definitely part of the problem. And would be the biggest trade chip we have to fix it.

 

[Siddi]

Using points as a measure of anything this season is completely useless in my opinion. The issue is with how they play. Mika has been better since January but like, he still makes 5 boneheaded plays a game. Stuff a 10 year vet shouldnt be doing. Panarin, Trocheck, Mika can get all the points they want but they all still play soft perimeter hockey and it stems from the PP. I think Mika probably sticks around and he has shown enough that I at least think he cares. He's also a force on the PK, thats undeniable. Same as Trocheck going forward. With Panarin and Kreider, they are moveable and their time is up on this team. We have to go in a different direction for the good of the franchise. Do people really want to run it back without more major changes? Last game was the point of no return for me.

Yeah. I am almost at that point myself with this team. I just tought it weird lumping in Mika with Kreider.

 

[bl02]

Using points as a measure of anything this season is completely useless in my opinion. The issue is with how they play. Mika has been better since January but like, he still makes 5 boneheaded plays a game. Stuff a 10 year vet shouldnt be doing. Panarin, Trocheck, Mika can get all the points they want but they all still play soft perimeter hockey and it stems from the PP. I think Mika probably sticks around and he has shown enough that I at least think he cares. He's also a force on the PK, thats undeniable. Same as Trocheck going forward. With Panarin and Kreider, they are moveable and their time is up on this team. We have to go in a different direction for the good of the franchise. Do people really want to run it back without more major changes? Last game was the point of no return for me.

Exactly. People talk about the rotten core. well 93 and Kreider are your core.
If you can trick some GM to giving you anything of decent value for either you do it and don't think twice.

 

[DuneGoon84]

Kreider I get but Mika?

Top 3 since Jan 1st:
Bread - 34 points in 33 games
Mika - 28 points in 33 games
Vinny - 23 points in 33 games

Cuylle since Jan 1st - 14 points in 33 games.
Kreider since Jan 1st - 9 points in 23 games

 

[McRanger92]

Yeah. I am almost at that point myself with this team. I just tought it weird lumping in Mika with Kreider.

Kreider has completely checked out it's obvious. I respect Mika and Trocheck for trying to rally the team. They havent played fantastic but theyve been scoring and if anything struggling because they are trying and being asked to do to much. Panarin's words of encouragement in English every 3 weeks after a stinker contribute nothing