Roster Building Thread : Part XVIII ( TDL is March 7th)

[IDvsEGO]

It would be nice, but Drury and Dolan are in charge. Anyone with decency has been expunged. Looking at how Trouba and Goodrow were shown the door, I don’t expect CK will get an overly respectful exit, and really, not many do.

Overly respectful?

JFC
We were foaming at the mouth to throw get rid of both Trouba and Goodrow. And now people are talking about how disrespectful Drury is?
The board was ripping Drury for the Goodrow deal because of how bad it was and that we'd either have to retain / add to get rid of him or buy him out. Trouba we figured we'd also have to add to get rid.
Drury turned around and got an actual NHL player out of the deal.
Drury turned Chytil + into Miller.

Asking Drury to be "respectful" of CK, is insane. He signed a contract, he knows the terms. He's been great for the franchise but he's either playing hurt, or he's absolutely dropping off a cliff. Moving him in the off season is a no brainer. Get something for him.
Moving Panarin is again a net positive. Will we struggle to score for a season? Probably, but being able to eat a bad contract for a year might let us do a real rebuild.

I want no part of this upcoming FA class. Marner is better defensively than panarin, but we need center depth not wing help.

We have an opportunity to fix the team by making some surgical changes. We have a solid window where we can lock up the talent we need, move the guys who don't fit well, and we could make a big splash in the 26 free agent class.
One high draft pick in 26, which is a very talented class, and a good partner for fox, and we're a very very good team.

So do I care how polite we are with CK? Not even slightly.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Kreider's "interview" where he's talking about the team in the past tense is kind of a giveaway

Which interview?

 

[Cmox]

Which interview?

He did have a past tense quote after the trade deadline," I enjoyed my time here".

 

[bernmeister]

Overly respectful?

JFC
We were foaming at the mouth to throw get rid of both Trouba and Goodrow. And now people are talking about how disrespectful Drury is?
The board was ripping Drury for the Goodrow deal because of how bad it was and that we'd either have to retain / add to get rid of him or buy him out. Trouba we figured we'd also have to add to get rid.
Drury turned around and got an actual NHL player out of the deal.
Drury turned Chytil + into Miller.

Asking Drury to be "respectful" of CK, is insane. He signed a contract, he knows the terms. He's been great for the franchise but he's either playing hurt, or he's absolutely dropping off a cliff. Moving him in the off season is a no brainer. Get something for him.
Moving Panarin is again a net positive. Will we struggle to score for a season? Probably, but being able to eat a bad contract for a year might let us do a real rebuild.

I want no part of this upcoming FA class. Marner is better defensively than panarin, but we need center depth not wing help.

We have an opportunity to fix the team by making some surgical changes. We have a solid window where we can lock up the talent we need, move the guys who don't fit well, and we could make a big splash in the 26 free agent class.
One high draft pick in 26, which is a very talented class, and a good partner for fox, and we're a very very good team.

So do I care how polite we are with CK? Not even slightly.

no one has to be unduly "respectful" notwithstanding that we should all be respectful to each other, notwithstanding further that love is given and respect is earned

but what is obliged is FAIRNESS
and that has to be in context of his injury

FAIRNESS
no more no less

 

[UnparalledPark]

Overly respectful?

JFC
We were foaming at the mouth to throw get rid of both Trouba and Goodrow. And now people are talking about how disrespectful Drury is?
The board was ripping Drury for the Goodrow deal because of how bad it was and that we'd either have to retain / add to get rid of him or buy him out. Trouba we figured we'd also have to add to get rid.
Drury turned around and got an actual NHL player out of the deal.
Drury turned Chytil + into Miller.

Asking Drury to be "respectful" of CK, is insane. He signed a contract, he knows the terms. He's been great for the franchise but he's either playing hurt, or he's absolutely dropping off a cliff. Moving him in the off season is a no brainer. Get something for him.
Moving Panarin is again a net positive. Will we struggle to score for a season? Probably, but being able to eat a bad contract for a year might let us do a real rebuild.

I want no part of this upcoming FA class. Marner is better defensively than panarin, but we need center depth not wing help.

We have an opportunity to fix the team by making some surgical changes. We have a solid window where we can lock up the talent we need, move the guys who don't fit well, and we could make a big splash in the 26 free agent class.
One high draft pick in 26, which is a very talented class, and a good partner for fox, and we're a very very good team.

So do I care how polite we are with CK? Not even slightly.

“Respect” is a feeling of deep admiration for someone elicited by their abilities, qualities or achievements. I admire Goodrow’s contribution with the Rangers. He came back early from a broken jaw and broken ankle. He was the leader and enforcer on this team during much of his time here. He was also a fine mentor. He also was one of the most prolific players during our latest playoff run. He has gained my respect. Even though he may have been overpaid, I respect him. I respect Trouba’s contribution even though he was overpaid and his skill diminished. Kreider has earned my respect. I simply wrote that I don’t believe Kreider’s departure will be handled with great respect, as in my opinion, Drury has not shown that attribute in the past, just as you and others on this board don’t, and that’s OK. It is possible to fire/trade an individual, and show respect at the same time. I wouldn’t expect you to understand that. And again, that’s OK.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

We have to stop paying top dollar for UFAs as though they will save our team. Outside of Messier, when has that ever worked? That was a different time. There was no salary cap, and Marner is no Messier.

It didn't work with Panarin. Why would it work with Marner? His teams have had zero success in the playoffs. He isn't a guy that is going to put the team on his back in the playoffs and lead them to a cup.

No, we don't. We have to actually do the opposite of stop. Because our brain dead GM decided to give a goaltender a billion dollars. So now we have to go for it, every year. This was the one punted season. This is the mulligan.

 

[Alluckks]

Zegras isn't the mold of player Drury has typically been targeting, but he has been linked here before and was mentioned once again by some reporters at the deadline. He is having not a great year on a completely dead team over there. Only 1 year on his contract still and then back to RFA. He could possibly be had for pretty damn cheap at this point. If the Rangers wanted to go with a young line hoping for upside skill on the 3rd line they could run something like Othmann - Zegras - Perreault next season. Go back to the solid 4th line of Edstrom - Carrick - Rempe. That is a pretty good bottom 6 with scoring upside.

The bigger problem is addressing adding a top talent to the top line, but that is a whole different discussion.

I just think looking to add Zegras at this point might be worth exploring to try to reignite his career, add some scoring skill, and it wouldn't be cost prohibitive. Wouldn't be shocked if something around Berard + Jones + something gets the conversation started.

 

[Alluckks]

Also would want to revisit Buffalo. Seravalli reported for certain there are "malcontents" there that don't want to be there and said Peterka is one of them.

Buffalo fans are dying for players that play differently than their current players do. They also want a defensive minded Dman (preferably righty) badly. Power and Byram seem to be a stalemate where both show great offensive prowess at times but have essentially found it impossible to improve their defensive games.

Schneider + Laf for Peterka + Power

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Which interview?

Mollie mentioned it in today’s Up in the Blue Seats podcast.

 

[Coffee]

Trade for Brady Tkachuk

Edit*
Actually never mind probably not worth it. I was only saying because him and Miller give you guys a Panthers style top 6

 

[RangerBoy]

Kreider made those comments when the Rangers were in Winnipeg last Tuesday



continue to try to help this team win hockey games."

 

[RangerBoy]

Kreider feels 100% gone

1 of Panarin or Zibs feels more likely than not to be gone

Schneider feels like the writing is on the wall for him to be in a trade to bring back a young top 6 skill scoring player

The other RD on this team could bring back a young top 6 forward and a top 4 D but you guys are married to this player for some unknown reason. The team would be better and that's all that matters.

 

[leetch99]

Kreider gave up the puck twice in the first 6 minutes last night. Two bad turnovers. Kreider tried to pass the puck to KAM in the Rangers zone but Draisaitl is in the passing lane. He is right there. McDavid had a scoring chance. On the PK, Kreider tries to pass the puck to Zibanejad to make a play and Draisaitl is there again.

Kreider is miraculously able to play after the trading deadline. He would skate with the team in the morning skate but wouldn’t play in the games prior to March 7. After the deadline, Chris is able to play.

The board would have nailed Lindgren to the cross if it had been him that turned the puck over...but Kreider does it and .....

 

[eco's bones]

Our power play has been shit all year and moving our one and only defensemen that has a clue how to run a power play would only make the power play worse. We saw Jones step up into that spot while Fox was out and yeah he can move the puck around but he didn't produce anything at all. 2 power play assists so far for his entire career. The rest of our D are even more lost and there's no one in Hartford (Matt Robertson leads the Pack's D with 22 points) and even our prospects are all pretty much defensive minded D.

So you create a hole to fill holes that might be down the lineup---pining over a young forward? who? Zegras? who might then be underused by the coaching staff and/or might not even be a good fit. We've been through this with Lafreniere and Kakko---neither of whom turned out nearly as good as advertised and actually our best young forward is Cuylle. Why? North/South no bullshit and has worked for everything he's got but anyway after Fox takes a hike the power play goes down the toilet and maybe to the point where we might want to start declining penalties.....and really with all the psychological issues this group has had an even worse power play is definitely going to exacerbate those issues.

By the way a lot of teams younger stud forwards are not turning out as well as they were advertised either. Struggles seem to come to those thrown into the deep end at 18 or 19. I can get moving other players but if there is no replacement for our one and only power play capable defenseman---forget it even if he's underperforming.

 

[Fitzy]

If you believe the only measure of success is cup or bust, you're going to be a miserable fan almost all of your life.

It absolutely is not the only thing that matters, completely agree.

But for this franchise? With 1 cup in 85 years... it needs to be the "First second third and fourth priority", to quote Calvin Candy

 

[RangerBoy]

The board would have nailed Lindgren to the cross if it had been him that turned the puck over...but Kreider does it and .....

I have been watching Lindgren in Colorado. He looks much better in Colorado than the Lindgren in NY the last few seasons. I thought about screen recording those Kreider turnovers and posting them but everyone gets angry when you discuss Kreider and Fox on this board. Everyone else is fair game.

 

[mrmovies779]

I have been watching Lindgren in Colorado. He looks much better in Colorado than the Lindgren in NY the last few seasons. I thought about screen recording those Kreider turnovers and posting them but everyone gets angry when you discuss Kreider and Fox on this board. Everyone else is fair game.

Of course Lindgren looks better there,he's playing sheltered minutes.Unlike here where he was playing 20+ minutes a game on the top pair

 

[McRanger92]

Of course Lindgren looks better there,he's playing sheltered minutes.Unlike here where he was playing 20+ minutes a game on the top pair

Let's see how quick Colorado is to extend him as well.

 

[bernmeister]

“Respect” is a feeling of deep admiration for someone elicited by their abilities, qualities or achievements. I admire Goodrow’s contribution with the Rangers. He came back early from a broken jaw and broken ankle. He was the leader and enforcer on this team during much of his time here. He was also a fine mentor. He also was one of the most prolific players during our latest playoff run. He has gained my respect. Even though he may have been overpaid, I respect him. I respect Trouba’s contribution even though he was overpaid and his skill diminished. Kreider has earned my respect. I simply wrote that I don’t believe Kreider’s departure will be handled with great respect, as in my opinion, Drury has not shown that attribute in the past, just as you and others on this board don’t, and that’s OK. It is possible to fire/trade an individual, and show respect at the same time. I wouldn’t expect you to understand that. And again, that’s OK.

All this, yes, but respect is also an acknowledgement of merit based in fair assessment.
Current ck derides him for no longer demonstrating merit based on performance; BUT THAT SHIT IS NOT IN A VACUUM, it has to be correctly gauged by fairness, to note that it is due to injury, not him lollygagging (as was the case w/Zib).

Zegras isn't the mold of player Drury has typically been targeting, but he has been linked here before and was mentioned once again by some reporters at the deadline. He is having not a great year on a completely dead team over there. Only 1 year on his contract still and then back to RFA. He could possibly be had for pretty damn cheap at this point. If the Rangers wanted to go with a young line hoping for upside skill on the 3rd line they could run something like Othmann - Zegras - Perreault next season. Go back to the solid 4th line of Edstrom - Carrick - Rempe. That is a pretty good bottom 6 with scoring upside.

The bigger problem is addressing adding a top talent to the top line, but that is a whole different discussion.

I just think looking to add Zegras at this point might be worth exploring to try to reignite his career, add some scoring skill, and it wouldn't be cost prohibitive. Wouldn't be shocked if something around Berard + Jones + something gets the conversation started.

Yes at adding Zegras at 'the right price', pref one cheap enuf,
but
no, he won't be cheap and Ringo Starr No No Song, especially not that cheap!

Our power play has been shit all year and moving our one and only defensemen that has a clue how to run a power play would only make the power play worse. We saw Jones step up into that spot while Fox was out and yeah he can move the puck around but he didn't produce anything at all. 2 power play assists so far for his entire career. The rest of our D are even more lost and there's no one in Hartford (Matt Robertson leads the Pack's D with 22 points) and even our prospects are all pretty much defensive minded D.

So you create a hole to fill holes that might be down the lineup---pining over a young forward? who? Zegras? who might then be underused by the coaching staff and/or might not even be a good fit. We've been through this with Lafreniere and Kakko---neither of whom turned out nearly as good as advertised and actually our best young forward is Cuylle. Why? North/South no bullshit and has worked for everything he's got but anyway after Fox takes a hike the power play goes down the toilet and maybe to the point where we might want to start declining penalties.....and really with all the psychological issues this group has had an even worse power play is definitely going to exacerbate those issues.

By the way a lot of teams younger stud forwards are not turning out as well as they were advertised either. Struggles seem to come to those thrown into the deep end at 18 or 19. I can get moving other players but if there is no replacement for our one and only power play capable defenseman---forget it even if he's underperforming.

Unless there is significant situation of nearly all bases covered on the roster -- not the case here -- you deal to add actual or potential talent at enuf of a profit above what you are surrendering in the hope/expectation you can then get to a fully talented deep roster that's gonna kick it on all cylinders.
You sell high on Fox IF IF IF the return is substantial enuf. Ditto Igor, etc.
Not having sufficient playmaker/PP backliner is acceptable collateral damage if it shores up our overall situation

 

[McRanger92]

The other RD on this team could bring back a young top 6 forward and a top 4 D but you guys are married to this player for some unknown reason. The team would be better and that's all that matters.

Who is Fox bringing back in a trade to make moving him worth it? You keep saying it, show your work so we can judge it accurately. Is it Brady Tkachuk? I'd think the goal would be to have both guys. And if you trade Fox we'd go from 1 to 0 puck moving top 4 defenseman.

But I guess I am just a lowly memeber of the Fox mafia to be asking such specific questions. I'm with you on Kreider. No player has dishonored himself more this year.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

I have been watching Lindgren in Colorado. He looks much better in Colorado than the Lindgren in NY the last few seasons. I thought about screen recording those Kreider turnovers and posting them but everyone gets angry when you discuss Kreider and Fox on this board. Everyone else is fair game.

I don’t think people get angry, it’s just tiring to read the same complaints every single day. Everyone saw the turnovers. Kreider has had a terrible year. 0 primary assists. But he’s also a franchise legend and has been injured this year. All the talk of him being bad for the locker room started this season and is complete speculation. Kreider has always been known as a good locker room presence. I don’t know where that started.

Focusing on Fox and Igor as problems is pointless. They need to be better, the problems are elsewhere on the roster. Kreider deserves criticism and the team should be open to moving him but he’s not some scrub that should be dumped for a conditional 7th like you act.

You’re very reactionary in your thinking and that leads to bad choices. There are ebbs and flows in players within a season and season to season. He’s on a downturn now. It almost seems like everyone who was on the “trade Kreider” bandwagon during the rebuild have been biding their time through arguably the best UFA contract in the NHL (6.5M AAV for what 200 goals?) for this to happen so they could jump out with pitchforks and claim victory from 5 years ago. I wouldn’t be surprised if Kreider is healthy next year if he puts up 30 G and 50 points, here or elsewhere

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Who is Fox bringing back in a trade to make moving him worth it? You keep saying it, show your work so we can judge it accurately. Is it Brady Tkachuk? I'd think the goal would be to have both guys. And if you trade Fox we'd go from 1 to 0 puck moving top 4 defenseman.

But I guess I am just a lowly memeber of the Fox mafia to be asking such specific questions. I'm with you on Kreider. No player has dishonored himself more this year.

Fox is a great player. He’s a top D in the league. Top 5 top 10 top 20 who cares. He controls the puck like very few D. But hey he’s not big and not fast so he sucks. He’s gonna wear down. Never mind positioning or sticks in lanes. Mike Kelly posted the stat Fox was 2nd in the NHL to Slavin in deflected passes about a month ago. People don’t care. He’s soft, weak, can’t skate, he sucks. Trade him.

 

[haohmaru]

The other RD on this team could bring back a young top 6 forward and a top 4 D but you guys are married to this player for some unknown reason. The team would be better and that's all that matters.

Our team would be worse, that’s why we’re “married to this player”.

Best D since Leetch. Off with his head.

 

[majordomo]

No, we don't. We have to actually do the opposite of stop. Because our brain dead GM decided to give a goaltender a billion dollars. So now we have to go for it, every year. This was the one punted season. This is the mulligan.

You're going to be very disappointed next season.

 

[Machinehead]

I have been watching Lindgren in Colorado. He looks much better in Colorado than the Lindgren in NY the last few seasons. I thought about screen recording those Kreider turnovers and posting them but everyone gets angry when you discuss Kreider and Fox on this board. Everyone else is fair game.

People just get angry at you because you're annoying.