Roster Building Thread : Part XVIII ( TDL is March 7th)

[GoAwayPanarin]

Lindgren has been ass in Colorado too.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

He looks very 'checked out'.
It's a shame that his Ranger career seems to be ending with a whimper rather than a bang.
I assume that in the event he does go, most of his cap hit is going to get passed on to Cuylle

I've been saying it for years that Kreider and maybe Mika seemed to have some sort of entitled view of this team where he's the star, gm and coach at the same time. He's paid to play, the coach is paid to coach, the gm makes the team. I always got a kick out of the fact that Kreider always claimed he couldn't play rw when it was a kid that needed the lw spot, then when it was Panarin joining his line he slid over to rw. He's been sooking since the summer when Goodrow left. That shouldn't concern him and his paycheck at all. Imo Mika finally said F it and bought in, Kreider is still checked out. I thank him for the memories, but I'm tired of his act now.

 

[kovazub94]

Our team would be worse, that’s why we’re “married to this player”.

Best D since Leetch. Off with his head.

You know what RB and Bern have in common - in all their trade proposals Rangers' side always gives up the best player of the trade.

 

[E-Train]

It’s ok to want to get rid of Kreider and keep Fox. The team doesn’t have keep both or move both. I still haven’t seen where we’re replacing the talent and skill Fox brings to the back end.

The real issues are being married to Zib, JTM & Igor for the next, 5, 5 & 8 seasons respectively. I’ll have to see Zib waiving to believe it

 

[Gardner McKay]

Lindgren has been ass in Colorado too.

Shocker!

 

[McRanger92]

It’s ok to want to get rid of Kreider and keep Fox. The team doesn’t have keep both or move both. I still haven’t seen where we’re replacing the talent and skill Fox brings to the back end.

The real issues are being married to Zib, JTM & Igor for the next, 5, 5 & 8 seasons respectively. I’ll have to see Zib waiving to believe it

I want Igor and JT here. Mika will waive if they have the guts to take him off the powerplay and move Kreider. It's high time Cuylle and Lafreniere, actual young players with potential and talent are allowed top PP minutes with Fox and Panarin (while he's still here). The team has never consistently given the youth power play time, deferring to the vets who refuse to adjust.

 

[alkurtz]

I will never get tired of CK or complain about him. As a Ranger fan for 60+ years, he will always be one of my top 10 favorite players, unique and valuable in so many ways. I must say, in the "old days" (I will never say things were better back then because, as a whole, they were not), we had much more tolerance for aging veterans on the downslope of their careers. But then. we didn't have to worry about cap implications or term of contract. We just accepted that players age, injuries increase, and their abilities diminish. Now we do and it colors so many opinions. But to criticize a player's work effort, commitment, and the pride he has shown in wearing the Rangers colors for all these years is wrong and leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I know his days with the team are likely nearing an end, and they should, but they will not take away from all he has meant, in so many ways, to this team and me as a fan. A perfect player? Far from it. But on the ice, he could play for me until they literally have to tear the uniform off of him.

 

[E-Train]

I want Igor and JT here. Mika will waive if they have the guts to take him off the powerplay and move Kreider.

I’m not against Igor and JTM, I’m saying they have big term at advancing ages. Fox is at the end of his age 26 season. He’ll be fine.

I still say I have to see Zib waving to believe. It’s not impossible but not as easy as some make it out to be

 

[JohnC]

The other RD on this team could bring back a young top 6 forward and a top 4 D but you guys are married to this player for some unknown reason. The team would be better and that's all that matters.

You’re smarter than this RB

 

[Machinehead]

There's definitely pushback on Fox and for good reason.

I don't know what we're trying to prove with Kreider. Everyone is saying he's been terrible this year and you still have posters taking a victory lap like they're the only ones who see it.

 

[duhmetreE]

Lindgren has been ass in Colorado too.

isn't that an upgrade?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

There's definitely pushback on Fox and for good reason.

I don't know what we're trying to prove with Kreider. Everyone is saying he's been terrible this year and you still have posters taking a victory lap like they're the only ones who see it.

This isnt true. You still have posters here making every excuse under the sun for him.

 

[Machinehead]

This isnt true. You still have posters here making every excuse under the sun for him.

Some people have said that he's likely battling injuries. He's also been bad. Both things can be true.

I'm not gonna call anyone out but there's really only one poster treating Kreider as if it's business as usual.

 

[kovazub94]

Kreider's performance have been on a broad spectrum of opinions throughout his career maybe with an exception of one or maybe two years

 

[bernmeister]

You know what RB and Bern have in common - in all their trade proposals Rangers' side always gives up the best player of the trade.

but in those proposals, do we have good potential to get way more than $1 back in value for $1 received

The short term win now approach has left us a mess
learn
to learn w/da bern

after all, bern is kinda like Billy Joel's The Stranger
"he is not alway evil, he is not always wrong"

 

[eco's bones]

All this, yes, but respect is also an acknowledgement of merit based in fair assessment.
Current ck derides him for no longer demonstrating merit based on performance; BUT THAT SHIT IS NOT IN A VACUUM, it has to be correctly gauged by fairness, to note that it is due to injury, not him lollygagging (as was the case w/Zib).


Yes at adding Zegras at 'the right price', pref one cheap enuf,
but
no, he won't be cheap and Ringo Starr No No Song, especially not that cheap!


Unless there is significant situation of nearly all bases covered on the roster -- not the case here -- you deal to add actual or potential talent at enuf of a profit above what you are surrendering in the hope/expectation you can then get to a fully talented deep roster that's gonna kick it on all cylinders.
You sell high on Fox IF IF IF the return is substantial enuf. Ditto Igor, etc.
Not having sufficient playmaker/PP backliner is acceptable collateral damage if it shores up our overall situation

I've heard this all before. It seems to me there are some here including you yourself who would start with all the larger contracts---get rid of Panarin for picks, prospects, cheaper young players, ditto for Sheshterkin, to Fox, to Zibanejad, to JT---you yourself (almost no one else would) would divert around Kreider where pretty much the rest of consensus would start.....and now you've dumped $45 to $50 mil and maybe taken $15 back. That seems to be the dream. You're way under the cap floor at this point with a team full of second and third liners---other teams have locked away their really significant prospects because that's what even semi-sensible GM's do and you find yourself with this all this cap space you have to spend even if only to get back to the floor and in the meanwhile at least this year there's not going to be a lot in free agency---which might be the start of the yearly trend---at least with the cap going up $8/9 a year that's what seems to me. What do you then when you got a mediocre to average team---a shit ton of cap space but nobody to spend it on but your second and third liners? Congratulations--At this point maybe you've recreated the Yakupov Oilers.

 

[McRanger92]

Kreider's performance have been on a broad spectrum of opinions throughout his career maybe with an exception of one or maybe two years

He was a good 5v5 player without the production for a long time because, imo, he used his physicality more to get in on the forecheck and cycle. As he has gotten older he's become much more of a special teams merchant, cheating for offense. Feels like the whole veteran hierachy of the team fell in love with scoring goals in a handful of ways and lost the ability to adjust.



This play is a great example. Kreider used to drive the net and battle like Cuylle does on this goal. Also notice how Panarin and Trocheck go behind the net instead of staying in the crease. JTM, Cuylle, Rempe, Othmann, Berard drive to the crease, or at least try to. The guys who have been here like Kreider, Panarin, Trocheck, Laf, Mika all like the cross ice perimeter plays and deflections from the side of the net or between the circles. Those are easy plays to defend when the opposing team is clamping down. chaos in front is how we have to generate offense. It's how everyone tends to beat us in the playoffs. We have seen that the veteran core will refuse to adjust their games time and time again. Its frustrating and the primary reason it's time to move on from a lot of them. Laf has youth on his side and Trocheck has a favorable contract and a lot of intagibles that make them worth hanging on to but they need to make serious adjustments to their style.

 

[kovazub94]

I've heard this all before. It seems to me there are some here including you yourself who would start with all the larger contracts---get rid of Panarin for picks, prospects, cheaper young players, ditto for Sheshterkin, to Fox, to Zibanejad, to JT---you yourself (almost no one else would) would divert around Kreider where pretty much the rest of consensus would start.....and now you've dumped $45 to $50 mil and maybe taken $15 back. That seems to be the dream. You're way under the cap floor at this point with a team full of second and third liners---other teams have locked away their really significant prospects because that's what even semi-sensible GM's do and you find yourself with this all this cap space you have to spend even if only to get back to the floor and in the meanwhile at least this year there's not going to be a lot in free agency---which might be the start of the yearly trend---at least with the cap going up $8/9 a year that's what seems to me. What do you then when you got a mediocre to average team---a shit ton of cap space but nobody to spend it on but your second and third liners? Congratulations--At this point maybe you've recreated the Yakupov Oilers.

You wind up giving whole bunch of Goodrow contracts - see Isles

 

[LOFIN]

 

[Fitzy]

I hope he's okay, but that really doesn't change our plans much.

He will be in the KHL within 18 months.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

It absolutely is not the only thing that matters, completely agree.

But for this franchise? With 1 cup in 85 years... it needs to be the "First second third and fourth priority", to quote Calvin Candy

Absolutely. As a fan I'd love nothing more, I was 14 in 1994. Be nice to get another one before I die.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I've heard this all before. It seems to me there are some here including you yourself who would start with all the larger contracts---get rid of Panarin for picks, prospects, cheaper young players, ditto for Sheshterkin, to Fox, to Zibanejad, to JT---you yourself (almost no one else would) would divert around Kreider where pretty much the rest of consensus would start.....and now you've dumped $45 to $50 mil and maybe taken $15 back. That seems to be the dream. You're way under the cap floor at this point with a team full of second and third liners---other teams have locked away their really significant prospects because that's what even semi-sensible GM's do and you find yourself with this all this cap space you have to spend even if only to get back to the floor and in the meanwhile at least this year there's not going to be a lot in free agency---which might be the start of the yearly trend---at least with the cap going up $8/9 a year that's what seems to me. What do you then when you got a mediocre to average team---a shit ton of cap space but nobody to spend it on but your second and third liners? Congratulations--At this point maybe you've recreated the Yakupov Oilers.

I think most of us would move exactly 3 contracts.

Kreider at 6.5
Mika at 8.5
Panarin at 11.642

Additionally most of us are advocating retaining on panarin. So that’s 5.8.

You also don’t trade them for pure futures.
You trade them for guys who are either nhl players, or a year out. You get 1c (top 6c)
You get a ld. (Top pair potential)
You lock up miller. You lock up cuylle. You lock up Berard. Maybe even othmann.
And you then have the ability the following year to push for mcd.

And guess what if you have all those pieces. You have a legit cup contender.
Mcd as your 1c, jtm as your 2c. Is an insane 1-2.

Trocheck as 3c?

Our d core looks like it’s on the way to being solid.

This isn’t that tough.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

What in the absolute color hell is going on with these boards?!?!

 

[SnowblindNYR]

It's a dark timeline when keeping neerdowells is the only course of action against them signing other neerdowells.

How often do well?

 

[TGWL]

Also would want to revisit Buffalo. Seravalli reported for certain there are "malcontents" there that don't want to be there and said Peterka is one of them.

Buffalo fans are dying for players that play differently than their current players do. They also want a defensive minded Dman (preferably righty) badly. Power and Byram seem to be a stalemate where both show great offensive prowess at times but have essentially found it impossible to improve their defensive games.

Schneider + Laf for Peterka + Power

I think we need to add.