Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVIII ( TDL is March 7th)

[mas0764]

The rangers added money, blocked good young players from long term roster spots and are still a mediocre team with a not great prospect pool. How is anyone exalting the performance of the GM? Even if you like the individual players, this team is worse off going forward than they were.

The GM feels the idiotic need to try to placate the egos of his clearly not good enough core. He’s wasting time.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Why is Kreider playing when he's not even close to 100%?

Cause they don't have anyone older than can replace him. No way they give ice time to Berard brings, youth, speed, passion and grit. Can't have that in the lineup

 

[Do you want ants]

The GM feels the idiotic need to try to placate the egos of his clearly not good enough core. He’s wasting time.

Based on what? He’s moved on from well like players in the room (Trouba/goodrow/Lindgren). Zbad/Bread/Kreider were always likely offseason moves.

 

[chris kontos]

Kreider just cashing checks at this point. Didnt hear his name once today

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

The GM feels the idiotic need to try to placate the egos of his clearly not good enough core. He’s wasting time.

Sorry mas -- if that were the case, Trouba and Goodrow would still be here.....hell, Strome might have been reacquired at the TDL just for giggles.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Based on what? He’s moved on from well like players in the room (Trouba/goodrow/Lindgren). Zbad/Bread/Kreider were always likely offseason moves.

Yeah the clauses make mid season things complicated and the cap hasn't swelled up yet.

Those guys will have takers this summer if the Rangers want to move on from them. It can't just be Kreider.

Extending Igor was f***ing stupid though. They could have sat on that one and let it play out. They'd either get him at a much more reasonable number right now or they could have flipped him and his reputation for a boat load of shit yesterday

 

[SnowblindNYR]

His production has already decreased by 33% from last season to this one, people already writing him in as a productive top 6 player from the jump are setting themselves up for disappointment especially with our teams track record

Something tells me if he were Russian you'd be singing a different tune.

 

[mas0764]

I look at that Florida team and man we are trash compared to them.

Our defense is garbage.

 

[eco's bones]

Again, your refusal to directly address my main pt here does not make you right and I will continue to call you out for it.

You DON'T KNOW yet you blindly insist best regimen for his cure is ONLY to sit, EXCLUSIVELY

I have said, maybe but it is also POSSIBLE that acceptable or better treatment is something like play less than full tilt, play harder, then go full tilt if you can, rinse + repeat.
You don't know yet you condemn and speak as if did

again, for as long as it takes, he IS injured, let that sink in
being injured, we have to accept whatev is best for his long term return, let that sink in


Yes, now would be the time to go long/max term, drive down the $$
The key here remains no nmc, reasonable ntc only


As always w/any player, need to assess cost/benefit of keeping vs selling.

bread, yes
good contributor but declining and we don't want him even at half-ish let alone anywhere near his current 11.6+
need to sell high here
As I said numerous times, THIS is where you go
Panarin at half small +
for
Bischell + 1st from DAL
esp since Bisch is out now

still possible for summer if they can figure out cap

Kreider = unknown b'c unclear medical etc does not immediately allow to estimate production and if we moved, what would someone pay for that production -- assuming it is reliable [enough].



That can't be helped.
If he has to be replaced -- and he does -- that is a temporary adjustment

If b'c the idiots who demand instant gratification/win now insist on giving him $$$ at this pt, it will extend beyond temporary and lead to extended team probs including by = a salary drain on our cap

You worry about the $'s that Mr. Dolan will spend and the movement clauses way more than I do.

Estimated cap for 25-26 $95.5 mil
Estimated cap for 26-27 $104 mil
Estimated cap for 27-28 $113.5 mil

Those are the numbers out there that I've seen and I've sure others have seen too.....and if there's a ceiling there will also be a floor that will go up every time the cap goes up.....and the Rangers are moving in guys on ELC and second contracts. So Jimmy's going to have to spend some cash like it or not and Jimmy can more than afford it.

As far as movement clauses the players negotiated for them. Professional sports unions ain't exactly like other unions but even so......I have been a card carrying member of two unions. I'm not a person that cares about the bosses and their problems. I tend to look at them in an adversarial way so I tend to side with the players. Kind of millionaires are better than billionaires and working people are the best of all.

 

[bhamill]

Not what I'm saying, I'm saying if his linemates were anywheres decent he'd be around the 100 point range instead of slightly over a point a game. His production is actually really good considering his linemates production

What you are literally saying is it’s his linemates’ fault he’s at just over point a game and not around 100 pts… down about 28% from last year. Meanwhile the average drop of the rest of the line is 25.5%… One of the best lines in the league last year with the same linemates who apparently aren’t anywhere near decent… Lafreniere has had the least drastic drop off of the three for what it’s worth at 19% to Pan’s 28% drop.
Everything I said still stands.

 

[bhamill]

Something tells me if he were Russian you'd be singing a different tune.

Also he’s gone from 1.7ppg to 1.4ppg. That’s about a 17% drop. Not 33%.

 

[Rangerboy030]

I'm becoming increasingly convinced that Schneider is much more valuable to us as a trade chip than a player.

 

[bernmeister]

You worry about the $'s that Mr. Dolan will spend and the movement clauses way more than I do.

Estimated cap for 25-26 $95.5 mil
Estimated cap for 26-27 $104 mil
Estimated cap for 27-28 $113.5 mil

Those are the numbers out there that I've seen and I've sure others have seen too.....and if there's a ceiling there will also be a floor that will go up every time the cap goes up.....and the Rangers are moving in guys on ELC and second contracts. So Jimmy's going to have to spend some cash like it or not and Jimmy can more than afford it.

As far as movement clauses the players negotiated for them. Professional sports unions ain't exactly like other unions but even so......I have been a card carrying member of two unions. I'm not a person that cares about the bosses and their problems. I tend to look at them in an adversarial way so I tend to side with the players. Kind of millionaires are better than billionaires and working people are the best of all.

I don't care about Dolan spending $$, I care about how effectively it is spent

But the NMCs are a real thing that have to go
They are just too constrictive

sufficient ntcs are adequate

I lean toward labor but judge ultimately on merit

 

[RangerBoy]

Kreider just cashing checks at this point. Didnt hear his name once today

Kreider was Drury's trade deadline acquisition. Chris is ruining his legacy here.

 

[Uglybstrd]

Kreider just cashing checks at this point. Didnt hear his name once today

He was so bad yesterday I could hardly believe it. He must still be injured or just completely cooked. Whatever it is he shouldnt be playing. I guess they try to play him into form and hope he has a productive spring so they can get something nice back in a trade this summer. But now he`s value is plummeting for each game he plays. It`s sad actually, he used to be one of my favorite players.

 

[RangersFan1994]

He was so bad yesterday I could hardly believe it. He must still be injured or just completely cooked. Whatever it is he shouldnt be playing. I guess they try to play him into form and hope he has a productive spring so they can get something nice back in a trade this summer. But now he`s value is plummeting for each game he plays. It`s sad actually, he used to be one of my favorite players.

Do the Rangers have little faith in Berard that they rather play an injured Kreider. All young players should request trades. This is getting to that point. It’s pathetic

 

[mike14]

Do the Rangers have little faith in Berard that they rather play an injured Kreider. All young players should request trades. This is getting to that point. It’s pathetic

This is a good point. If young Kreider had have demanded a trade he wouldn't be around to take ice-time

 

[haohmaru]

Who? Besides the three I mentioned earlier, who very likely won't be available, who is better?

Than Miller? We talking pure UFA's or RFA's with arb. rights as well?

 

[GAGLine]

Than Miller? We talking pure UFA's or RFA's with arb. rights as well?

We're talking anyone who is actually available. Don't list people who other teams have no intention of trading as though they are viable options. Most of the RFAs aren't available.

 

[RangerBoy]

Happy we didn't move Kreider, Othmann and Jones for something tangible. They were difference makers today...

Let's keep sitting berard too. He is small so that's bad. Regardless of his positive impact on every level.

There is a difference between the "Kreider Mafia" and the "Fox Mafia". They aren't the same.

Othmann played a good game yesterday. He finished his checks on every shift. He plays a hard game. Playoff hockey is hard hockey. The offense will come.

Some Rangers fans like soft perimeter hockey. We see where those players have taken the franchise.

 

[MrAlmost]

Othmann played a good game yesterday. He finished his checks on every shift. He plays a hard game. Playoff hockey is hard hockey. The offense will come.

Some Rangers fans like soft perimeter hockey. We see where those players have taken the franchise.

Oh I don't think othmann or Jones are bad. They are good players that try hard. I think we could have used them in a package to get a much better player that could help now and going forward. Not an old rental.

 

[TGWL]

I'm becoming increasingly convinced that Schneider is much more valuable to us as a trade chip than a player.

The ship may have sailed on how much more valuable.

But looking at next season with Urho and Soucy, I'm not sure we can just get rid of him without something better coming back on D.

 

[MrAlmost]

A day of reflection and time to calm down with another go tonight.

Cuylle-Miller-Z is a good line. Unfortunately, the only 1 of 2 and the second is the 4th line. Resign Cuylle 4.5 long term.

Panarin-Tro-Laf I just don't know. Trochecks hands are off all season. Laf is just floating around. Made a few great plays to start the Caps game then went to sleep. Panarin...is he slowing down? Probably. But the game he is playing isn't adjusting as needed. Is this dude gonna want another 10 million after this contract? Now he would probably look a lot better if Laf was putting in the effort. And I think it's effort with laf cause he was a house on fire for 20 games this season. Then things went downhill after the much talked about nonsense that doesn't need to be rehashed.

Kreider is done here. Great player for years but time to move on. And we could use the cap. Berard should be everyday 3rd line wing. He has the speed, work ethic, talent and physicality to be a positive player pushing pace in the right direction.

I don't know what Parsinnen is but he plays hard, just don't know if there is much there.

Miller more then any other player gets his mistakes amplified. He is good and has been a positive player since him and Borgen became a pair. I'd resign him long term at 5.5ish as well. They take surprising tough matchups and have been good. Mistakes by defense happen. They all make them. At good times and bad times in a game. I'm gonna try not to kill players for 1 bad play when the body of work is stronger.

Schneider should be traded along with Othmann, Jones and Kreider to put together a really good package to get a proper top line forward or LHD. Preferably in the 26-27 year old range.

Maybe Ekblad should be an idea.

TBD-Fox
Miller-Ekblad
Soucy-Borgen
Vaak

TLDR: I don't know what the hell is going on or what the hell we should do. Feels like we are just stuck in that same dark ages mediocrity with a carousel of coaches.

Edit: And yeah I think Florida resigns Ekblad. They have the cap.

 

[leetch99]

Kreider just cashing checks at this point. Didnt hear his name once today

He looked pretty much like his old self and healthy as a trout when he was doing the bum patting and helping his buds off the ice at the end of the periods yesterday . His arms and lips were moving well and no sweat or snow anywhere on his jersey ....One would never have known he was out hurt .

 

[leetch99]

I look at that Florida team and man we are trash compared to them.

Our defense is garbage.

I'm curios to know and I know somebody likely knows the answer.....which one of our Dmen was hit the most yesterday ? It seemed like the Sens pounded them at every chance along the boards and in the corners .