Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVIII ( TDL is March 7th)

[DanielBrassard]

I wonder if a team like Utah would be interested in Kreider. They could use some scoring help, they have so much cap space, and the have a ton of futures and picks to trade.

 

[Dfence033]

Goodrow was an older and worse player, and paid more.

Goodrow was one year older than Olivier when they signed, and had 3 separate years of 20+ points in a lower scoring league, and was a back-to-back Cup winner, and generally considered as one of their key players on that 3rd line for Tampa. Goodrow is also paid less than a league-minimum contract difference between the two. I know Goodrow isn’t well loved here, and nor do I, but Goodrow was a significantly more proven investment at the time of his signing.

Olivier needed a clear outlier of a 50% bump in shooting percentage to hit 20 points for the first time this season and cashed in. This isn’t the next Goodrow, this is the next Jeannot as I said when the first suggestions of bringing him to NYR. Ironically, I got to see a lot of both of them in Nashville.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I get what you're saying buy the Goodrow contract didnt hurt us.

I mean the extra money he was given as a 4th liner might have helped us shore up another area of the team...so it likely did.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I get what you're saying buy the Goodrow contract didnt hurt us.

I disagree, that money could have been used more efficiently and effectively.

 

[McRanger92]

Kreider has to return a nhl player… or nhl ready prospect.

I really don’t care for a late 1st rounder unless we have another deal lined up

Realistically, it's probably going to be a another veteran player with at least some money on his contract. Schenn, Laughton, Rakell type. otherwise, the rangers probably have to retain to get a young player worth getting. Not sure what Drury's appetite would be on that.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Realistically, it's probably going to be a another veteran player with at least some money on his contract. Schenn, Laughton, Rakell type. otherwise, the rangers probably have to retain to get a young player worth getting. Not sure what Drury's appetite would be on that.

I'd be pretty surprised if they trade Kreider for another 30+ year old. We have plenty of money to retain a bit.

 

[McRanger92]

I mean the extra money he was given as a 4th liner might have helped us shore up another area of the team...so it likely did.

If you can use this hypothetical logic, I can say he earned his contract with his playoff performance last year. it was a no harm no foul contract. the Rangers couldve LTIR'd plenty of guys if they wanted to add more significantly to the team. I wouldve been in favor of that.

 

[McRanger92]

I'd be pretty surprised if they trade Kreider for another 30+ year old. We have plenty of money to retain a bit.

They have to weight the offers they get against their motivation to trade him. I would ideally be looking for a middle of the lineup player like Ryan McLeod or Morgan Geekie. I was surprised by the Lindgren trade, even if my head tells me no one wants Kreider in his current state.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Realistically guys I don't think Kreider, who has spent his entire life in the northeast, is going to waive to go anywhere that isn't in the northeast or is at the most, northeast adjacent.

Maybe as far south as Washington and west as Pittsburgh/Columbus.

 

[GAGLine]

Kreider + Buch reunion?

If they trade Schenn somewhere else, then Kreider could be a possibility for them. I have no interest though in replacing 33-year-old Kreider with 33-year-old Schenn, especially given that Schenn has 3 years left on his contract.

 

[tiggles]

I don't think the Olivier contract is good, but if the cap goes up as expected, half the GMs in the league will be lining up to trade for him.

 

[IDvsEGO]

They have to weight the offers they get against their motivation to trade him. I would ideally be looking for a middle of the lineup player like Ryan McLeod or Morgan Geekie. I was surprised by the Lindgren trade, even if my head tells me no one wants Kreider in his current state.

The fact that we’ve moved both goodrow and trouba and retained zero, and actually gotten assets back, should be a clear indication that teams do still value “toughness” and “playoff experience “
Far more than this board does.

Kreider has scored 50 goals and makes less than 7m.
a move now is 3 full playoff runs.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Realistically guys I don't think Kreider, who has spent his entire life in the northeast, is going to waive to go anywhere that isn't in the northeast or is at the most, northeast adjacent.

Maybe as far south as Washington and west as Pittsburgh/Columbus.

He has a list of 15 teams right? He doesn’t need to waive

 

[Takeahnase]

Saw this on the Jets board and thought it was pretty funny.

“So Reilly Smith has all 7 Canadian teams on his no trade list and HE'S CANADIAN . See that's goofy if you ask me, i think some players have lost the plot.”

 

[Siddi]

The fact he was “unengaged” for 1.5 calendar years doesn’t strike you as a problem?

Just because he is playing more engaged now doesnt mean that he was unengaged during the 23-24 season. He had a down season and still ended up scoring 70+ points and was PPG in the post season.

The 1st half to this season is another story. He was completely out of it. Definetly checked out and the complete opposite to what we expect from him. I have no idea if the roster chaos afftected him or if it was personal but seeing him play Oct-Dec was embarrassing. It was really bad.

Whatever the reason we should all be happy that he seemingly turned the corner.

 

[bl02]

If the return for Kreider is equal or more over the summer don't see why Drury "rushes" to make the trade in the next 48 hours.

I wonder if a team like Utah would be interested in Kreider. They could use some scoring help, they have so much cap space, and the have a ton of futures and picks to trade.

and they owe us like 24 second round picks

 

[Fitzy]

If the return for Kreider is equal or more over the summer don't see why Drury "rushes" to make the trade in the next 48 hours.

Some have argued if the plan is to say goodbye to 2 of Kreider, Mika, Panarin- by the start of next season- might be easier to do one now. That said I’d be surprised if Kreider waives for anyone but Boston right now

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

The fact that we’ve moved both goodrow and trouba and retained zero, and actually gotten assets back, should be a clear indication that teams do still value “toughness” and “playoff experience “
Far more than this board does.

Kreider has scored 50 goals and makes less than 7m.
a move now is 3 full playoff runs.

Wow i was counting wrong, its 3 runs not 2 you are right.

I'd be pretty surprised if they trade Kreider for another 30+ year old. We have plenty of money to retain a bit.

I also think the blowback from the fanbase would be tremendous (not that Drury really cares about that) if a guy like Laughton was brought in to replace him. But even if that was the case its doubtful he would be traded to the Flyers directly. Would need to be a 3 team thing.

 

[TominNC]

Some have argued if the plan is to say goodbye to 2 of Kreider, Mika, Panarin- by the start of next season- might be easier to do one now. That said I’d be surprised if Kreider waives for anyone but Boston right now

He can only block the 15 on his NTC. So Boston isn't the only location he can go to

 

[leetch99]

Gartner. Gaborik. Callahan. Kreider. This is the way.

We could hang on and end up with nothing if he decides to retire mid of next season . Guys with bad backs seldom ever get fully reset at this stage of his career if such is the issue.....shit happens . Get what we can get for him and move on . He can sign a one hour/day contract and retire a Ranger if it is needed down the road .

 

[Harbour Dog]

Literally said "non-rental" in my message. wat makes you think Drury's trading for rentals anyway? He's done nothing but trade for guys under team control and extended the one guy (Borgen) who was a UFA.

Ah my bad, my brain read that as 'rental'.

That said, if Drury is going to trade away youth for more established long term options, I don't think the deadline will be where it happens. Gotta believe the market for those types of players will be much softer in the offseason.

Especially given that we generally jump the line to sign free agents, who wouldn't cost any assets; and Othmann's and Jones' values might be set to get a huge bump over the next couple months. Jones especially.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Saw this on the Jets board and thought it was pretty funny.

“So Reilly Smith has all 7 Canadian teams on his no trade list and HE'S CANADIAN . See that's goofy if you ask me, i think some players have lost the plot.”

Are the teams of a limited NTC available to see somewhere? How do they know that for sure?

We could hang on and end up with nothing if he decides to retire mid of next season . Guys with bad backs seldom ever get fully reset at this stage of his career if such is the issue.....shit happens . Get what we can get for him and move on . He can sign a one hour/day contract and retire a Ranger if it is needed down the road .

I think if he is moved and the return is underwhelming thats likely the case. Although with Kreider Ive always felt he was a physical unicorn. I dont think he'd just hang them up that quickly given his work ethic and determination. I think hed shut it down for a significant time and get back on the ice at some point before deciding to retire. Unless of course the doctors are advising him to.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

He has a list of 15 teams right? He doesn’t need to waive

Yeah but a 15 trade list can still function as one thats a bit more than that. For instance, I think he can comfortably leave some of the bottom feeders off of his list (San Jose, Chicago, Seattle, Nashville) knowing that they likely won't be in it for him or some of the locals (NJD, NYI) he knows he won't be traded to (it'd dumb, but the blow back if they traded Kreider to the Isles or Devils would be massive.)

Its really not hard for that 15 team list to effectively become a 20-24 team list. When you're working with a pool of 10 or fewer you can more or less centralize where you want to go.

Plus most contenders are pretty capped out and would have to move pieces around to make him work and the additional 2 years makes him an even tougher fit for those teams (maybe one of them doesn't care, Vegas sure as f*** wouldn't.) Though I suppose the upcoming cap inflation would ease some of those concerns.

Still seems like something that is going to be a summer move. I think the best thing he can do is take more time off and finish the season strong to boost that value a bit ala Zibanejad.

 

[leetch99]

Saw this on the Jets board and thought it was pretty funny.

“So Reilly Smith has all 7 Canadian teams on his no trade list and HE'S CANADIAN . See that's goofy if you ask me, i think some players have lost the plot.”

Greed .

 

[McRanger92]

Ah my bad, my brain read that as 'rental'.

That said, if Drury is going to trade away youth for more established long term options, I don't think the deadline will be where it happens. Gotta believe the market for those types of players will be much softer in the offseason.

Especially given that we generally jump the line to sign free agents, who wouldn't cost any assets; and Othmann's and Jones' values might be set to get a huge bump over the next couple months. Jones especially.

Disagree with this. In the offseason, 32 teams will be involved in the bidding on every player with this additional cap space. Rangers have cap space now, they should use it. In the summer they are almost certain to be looking to move out money (Panarin, Mika, Kreider if he's still here).

I push back on the binary thinking of each season is a new one in terms of team building, and because of that we should wait for the offseason. Dont look now but we are in a playoff spot. if there is a move out there to be made that improves this year and next years team, dont wait. The Rangers clearly want to make the playoffs. Just look at the conditions on the pick we sent in the JT trade. No rentals unless it's a guy you plan to keep like Borgen.