Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVIII ( TDL is March 7th)

[Cmox]

Sorry if this was posted.

 

[bl02]

Great scratch time for Othmann or Berard Look forward to zero forecheck

(reading now he most likely won't play)

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Sorry if this was posted.

Showing he's healthy so he can be traded! Lol

 

[Boris Zubov]

I wonder if a team like Utah would be interested in Kreider. They could use some scoring help, they have so much cap space, and the have a ton of futures and picks to trade.

You'd have to think that Utah is on his list of teams he's not going to.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

You'd have to think that Utah is on his list of teams he's not going to.

why not?? who wouldnt wanna go to utah?

 

[McRanger92]

You'd have to think that Utah is on his list of teams he's not going to.

Maybe he likes to ski

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Just because he is playing more engaged now doesnt mean that he was unengaged during the 23-24 season. He had a down season and still ended up scoring 70+ points and was PPG in the post season.

The 1st half to this season is another story. He was completely out of it. Definetly checked out and the complete opposite to what we expect from him. I have no idea if the roster chaos afftected him or if it was personal but seeing him play Oct-Dec was embarrassing. It was really bad.

Whatever the reason we should all be happy that he seemingly turned the corner.

Well it’s a small sample size, if he can keep it up for the rest of the season that would be good.

I do think the move to wing has helped, plus now playing with a good player in Miller who plays the right way, instead of a washed up Kreider or a lollygagging Panarin

 

[will1066]

Everybody should look at @HockeyBasedNYC 's avatar when feeling frustrated or angry and ready to get personal with someone.

Has a calming effect, for some reason, at least for me.

 

[Boris Zubov]

why not?? who wouldnt wanna go to utah?

I know you're being sarcastic, but I've spent a lot of time there & it's beautiful, but SLC is a really weird place to live.

From an NHL player POV, Utah is probably on his "no" list simply as a carryover from the uncertainty & low budget mentality of the previous ownership.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Edit: nothing to see here

Will, not only did your parents have to meet, fall in love and procreate for you to be here, but so did their parents and their parents' parents etc. So, if we go back to the beginning of time there are millions and possibly billions or trillions of decisions that were made and actions that were performed and events that occurred in order for you to be here. You are a miracle and there is a LOT to see here...

... I'm going to shoot myself in the face now.

 

[Profet]

I know you're being sarcastic, but I've spent a lot of time there & it's beautiful, but SLC is a really weird place to live.

From an NHL player POV, Utah is probably on his "no" list simply as a carryover from the uncertainty & low budget mentality of the previous ownership.

Not hockey related but I'm sure it's great if you're a Mormon or can pass as one.

But if you're a member of a minority population... it's a weird place to be...and a tough place to do business.

 

[IDvsEGO]

You'd have to think that Utah is on his list of teams he's not going to.

Agreed.
Utah being actually decent was slightly unexpected, and the no trade list was sent before that. He may waive, but he likely has some reluctance to leave for a team that hasn’t been consistently good and in a more traditional hockey market.

 

[Vitto79]

Showing he's healthy so he can be traded! Lol

Not sure why some don’t think that is what’s happening . Sits till traded assuming it’s the right Cost and fit for Chris

A top team can rest him till playoffs as much as needed

 

[UnparalledPark]

Gartner. Gaborik. Callahan. Kreider. This is the way.

1 cup in 85 years. This is the way.

 

[Vitto79]

I wonder if a team like Utah would be interested in Kreider. They could use some scoring help, they have so much cap space, and the have a ton of futures and picks to trade.

They also have Crouse and Macelli on the block likely

 

[will1066]

Will, not only did your parents have to meet, fall in love and procreate for you to be here, but so did their parents and their parents' parents etc. So, if we go back to the beginning of time there are millions and possibly billions or trillions of decisions that were made and actions that were performed and events that occurred in order for you to be here. You are a miracle and there is a LOT to see here...

... I'm going to shoot myself in the face now.

LMAO

 

[Fitzy]

1 cup in 85 years. This is the way.

I hear you, I guess the question is whether you think those deals cost us a cup.

I look at major rangers cup killers the past 30 years and I mostly see…

Cherepanovs passing
Nash, Richards, MSL declining faster than we wanted
Yandle being misused by the coach
Signing Boyle over Stralman

As the real things that maybe took a bit out of our chances to win it all.

 

[McRanger92]

1 cup in 85 years. This is the way.

Kreider has been here for 13 of those years. Time to move on.

Also we won that 1 Cup after trading Gartner, and the 4 players we acquired for Gabby and Callahan all played in our only Stanley Cup appearance this millennium.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Kreider has been here for 13 of those years. Time to move on.

How is that even possible. Jeez time flies.

 

[bernmeister]

Remember when Kreider, Hagelin, and Grabner were the fastest skaters in the league? Now two are retired and Kreider is a front net specialist who moves like an oil tanker. Meanwhile the average player can skate like them in their primes. Time goes on and the game evolves.

He can still go isolated bursts like he showed on his goal at 4 Nations
prob is some here insist he do that all the time, every shift, and his back won't permit that
then when I explain his situation may require a regimen of rest->extend->reduced extend->full tilt-> back to rest,
some peeps here refuse to concede this is even possible, and insist he go now, many w/some crazy notion that despite reality of his back = factual given, he brings us a haul now

wait. patience
as I said before, if his condition devolves, I expect him to do a Lou Gehrig and retire
until then, esp in totality of circumstances, he deserves benefit of doubt at min, and certainly not all this stupid hate

at this stage I think Kreider brings back a late first and young tweener like a Parssinen

Don’t think they’ll get much more

No, a team should not be that desperate to add a player who MIGHT, 1 in a 100 chance magically heal up for POs [and be durable all throughout].
A team being stupid enuf to do this their GM will not want to get his ass chewed out for it.

I get both sides of trading/keeping Kreider. But my issue is what if this the best its going to get? He clearly has chronic back issues/pain. What if an offseason does nothing to improve his play. If he ends up on the LTIR for most of next season, what value does he have then? I feel like this might be peak value right now.

1. regardless, the peak value is all time low now SO THERE IS NO PREMIUM RETURN peeps gotta accept that
2. If his physical condition devolves, he does a Gehrig, retires, we get cap back, and if we keep goodwill can hire him cheaply as coach to help w/youth

I wouldn't say Kreider is slow, he's just nowhere near as fast as he used to be.

agree, except as noted he can turn it on situationally in bursts when up to it
but yes, that is nothing like before this season

Kreider has to return a nhl player… or nhl ready prospect.

I really don’t care for a late 1st rounder unless we have another deal lined up

1. No he doesn't b'c damaged goods
2. Even if not damaged WE NEED YOUTH b'c we stupidly did not listen to me and did idiotic rentals in recent yrs

They have to weight the offers they get against their motivation to trade him. I would ideally be looking for a middle of the lineup player like Ryan McLeod or Morgan Geekie. I was surprised by the Lindgren trade, even if my head tells me no one wants Kreider in his current state.

bold: = finally we agree on something

The fact that we’ve moved both goodrow and trouba and retained zero, and actually gotten assets back, should be a clear indication that teams do still value “toughness” and “playoff experience “
Far more than this board does.

Kreider has scored 50 goals and makes less than 7m.
a move now is 3 full playoff runs.

sorry but yr post is wrong except as to the bold
dominant factor is
concerns about injured ck >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> classic ck who is NOT here now

how many PO runs s moot

 

[Profet]

I hear you, I guess the question is whether you think those deals cost us a cup.

I look at major rangers cup killers the past 30 years and I mostly see…

Cherepanovs passing
Nash, Richards, MSL declining faster than we wanted
Yandle being misused by the coach
Signing Boyle over Stralman

As the real things that maybe took a bit out of our chances to win it all.

Girardi & Staal Contracts
Zubov & Nedved trade JUST fits into your 30 year time frame.

 

[UnparalledPark]

I'd be pretty surprised if they trade Kreider for another 30+ year old. We have plenty of money to retain a bit.

A 30 year old may be tolerable if he were a top 4 Dman, but I agree with you.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Sorry if this was posted.

Ugh trade them both already. Smith is going but krieder is a main part of the country club bullshit, he this ass off the team

 

[bernmeister]

One way to mitigate risk is conditional picks
like a 7th but it turns into a 1st if _________ x, y, z
3 or so of those + a better than decent prospect would be enuf value for 3 PO runs for Kreider
but why has that not happened?

b'c peeps, bern is right and suitors' concerns to his health are LEGIT and DOMINANT

 

[McRanger92]

They also have Crouse and Macelli on the block likely

Man, Crouse is having a down year after 2 really solid ones but he seems like exactly the type to fit this new roster. Big hitter and a good goal scorer. Still only 27 with 3 years at 4.3 left. I like Macelli too. Linemates.