Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVIII ( TDL is March 7th)

[will1066]

 

[noncents]

There’s very little reason not to trade both Panarin and Kreider in the offseason. There will be pieces that come back, likely, with cap hits in the mid-range but they’ll also return futures which Drury can use to upgrade elsewhere as needed.

Miller and Cuylle should be re-signed. Lafreniere can play either side.

Cuylle-Miller-Zibanejad
Lafreniere-Trochek-Perrault
Othmann-Parsinnen-Berard
Edstrom-Carrick-Rempe
Brisson

________-Fox
Miller-Borgen
Soucy-Schneider
Vaak
De Haan

Shesty
Quick

That would likely leave them with ample cap space to sign or trade for a LD.

between panarin and kreider there should be enough to acquire an LD and a 2C.

Cuylle Miller Zibanejad
Lafreniere 2C Perreault
Othmann Trocheck Berard
Edstrom Carrick Rempe

that looks real to me

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Our pp needs to get it together. Need a win today

 

[McRanger92]

Jones was never being scratched when he was running PP1 yesterday at practice. Context clues . We like to get ahead of ourselves here.

 

[bhamill]

That's the sound you hear when Bugs Bunny gets a boner.

Not gonna ask how you KNOW that…
Hahahaha

 

[IDvsEGO]

between panarin and kreider there should be enough to acquire an LD and a 2C.

Cuylle Miller Zibanejad
Lafreniere 2C Perreault
Othmann Trocheck Berard
Edstrom Carrick Rempe

that looks real to me

For all everyone actually bitched all season and off season about drury.

The retool looks like it will not take long.
We got younger, and better, without giving up major pieces.

 

[Bruner4329]

between panarin and kreider there should be enough to acquire an LD and a 2C.

Cuylle Miller Zibanejad
Lafreniere 2C Perreault
Othmann Trocheck Berard
Edstrom Carrick Rempe

that looks real to me

You lose both Panarin and CK you better get a couple of guys that can score 55-60 goals combined because you are not making that up wiith this cast of characters. Too many what ifs including thinking a guy like Laf all of a sudden will start producing at that clip. He has had one moment, the second half of last season where he finally produced as expected.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

For all everyone actually bitched all season and off season about drury.

The retool looks like it will not take long.
We got younger, and better, without giving up major pieces.

Drury hasn't addressed much in the forward group, he's patched the d together and the verdict is still out on that depending on how Soucy looks, I'm ok with the D for now but up front we need a lot of work and our development still sucks, something Drury hasn't addressed or even seems to want to acknowledge.

 

[IDvsEGO]

You lose both Panarin and CK you better get a couple of guys that can score 55-60 goals combined because you are not making that up wiith this cast of characters. Too many what ifs including thinking a guy like Laf all of a sudden will start producing at that clip. He has had one moment, the second half of last season where he finally produced as expected.

Perreault looks to be a 20-30 right off the bat.
So now youre looking at a 2c whos sitting at 20/25 goals to make up the difference.

Not really tough.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Drury hasn't addressed much in the forward group, he's patched the d together and the verdict is still out on that depending on how Soucy looks, I'm ok with the D for now but up front we need a lot of work and our development still sucks, something Drury hasn't addressed or even seems to want to acknowledge.

Agreed. We're still a long way from the finished product & honestly it's tough to see it clearly. One has to assume that one of Panarin, Kreider or Zib is gone over the summer. The team needs to add at least one, but preferably two high end forwards & still needs a 1LD. None of these D men brought in over the past few months is that guy, nor do I think they're expected to be.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Jones was never being scratched when he was running PP1 yesterday at practice. Context clues . We like to get ahead of ourselves here.

But guess who is going to be welded next to Fox when he returns?

 

[IDvsEGO]

But guess who is going to be welded next to Fox when he returns?

and Drury targetted a guy who probably fits well with fox.
Does the things we expected/needed out of lindgren but he could no longer do.

I dont see the issue with this. You don't pair a guy like quinn hughes with Fox.

 

[bhamill]

Millers someone who I completely understand either way if they sign him or trade him.

Agreed. He isn’t THE problem, and he’s got enough value around the league that he could be traded for a solution. Or at least be the main piece in a trade for a solution. So yeah.

 

[bernmeister]

Look up a photo of Frampton now and see how he « feels »

kill joy
but he's had a good life

regrets, perhaps a few, but then again, too few to mention

perhaps he is like Frank who is like bern
and I do it
MY WAY

 

[DanielBrassard]

$14M. Miller and Cuylle need new contracts. More than half of the $14M will be spent on them.

We already saw offer sheets last summer. Dallas signed Johnston yesterday. They were afraid an offer sheet.

How are the Rangers adding a D partner for Fox AND another D without subtracting money?

The Rangers are going nowhere with this core group.

Which is why adding Soucy was a bad idea and trading for a 32 year old J.T. Miller still is a mistake IMO. Rangers are going to have very little flexibility to do anything substantial in the offseason even if they trade Kreider and dump his full cap hit.

 

[bhamill]

Trading Panarin without replacing his 100 points will tank this team faster than anything. I'm ok replacing him, but with who? I think if he is moved it will be at the deadline in his final year. People don't realize how much attention is paid to Panarin on a nightly basis, removing him will increase pressure on other players on the team.

He’s on an 87 point pace. And I dont think it’s a lock he ever tops 90 again. He’ll be 34 at the start of next season and he’s NOT getting any younger. He’s becoming more of a perimeter player by the minute. He’s never elevated his play, or even matched his regular season play, in the post season…. JT Miller has a much better shot at hitting 100 next year than Pan does. IMO.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Glad we’re setting realistic expectations for Perrault where he’s going to score 20-30 goals next season lol

 

[DanielBrassard]

Parsinnen is not going to be a fixture here.

Im all for giving him a look for the rest of this season to prove otherwise but based off of what I’ve seen there really isn’t anything there. Some solid puck protection skills but that’s about it.

Agreed. There’s nothing there.

 

[DanielBrassard]

between panarin and kreider there should be enough to acquire an LD and a 2C.

Cuylle Miller Zibanejad
Lafreniere 2C Perreault
Othmann Trocheck Berard
Edstrom Carrick Rempe

that looks real to me

That lineup is short about two 1st line forwards. Better hope the Rangers can sign Eichel/Kaprizov/McDavid and trade for someone like Tkachuk.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Jones was never being scratched when he was running PP1 yesterday at practice. Context clues . We like to get ahead of ourselves here.

Who said he was being scratched today? I and others said he will be scratched if and when Fox is healthy. Which is also a problem.

 

[Boris Zubov]

He’s on an 87 point pace. And I dont think it’s a lock he ever tops 90 again. He’ll be 34 at the start of next season and he’s NOT getting any younger. He’s becoming more of a perimeter player by the minute. He’s never elevated his play, or even matched his regular season play, in the post season…. JT Miller has a much better shot at hitting 100 next year than Pan does. IMO.

I agree with everything on Panarin, but regardless if he goes this summer or next, the need for more scoring up front is a pressing need. Even with adding JTM, we don't have enough high end skill in our top six. Ideally Vinny returns to form next season, but that's not a given. Mika is a total enigma, so good luck trying to guess what he actually is long term. It will be very interesting to see what Drury's vision is for his top six.

 

[duhmetreE]

Trading Panarin without replacing his 100 points will tank this team faster than anything. I'm ok replacing him, but with who? I think if he is moved it will be at the deadline in his final year. People don't realize how much attention is paid to Panarin on a nightly basis, removing him will increase pressure on other players on the team.

JTM is that replacement and it makes room for Gabe in the top6/PP. hopefully Laffy stops being ass

Then factor in whatever we get in return for the trade and what we use that cap space for.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I agree with everything on Panarin, but regardless if he goes this summer or next, the need for more scoring up front is a pressing need. Even with adding JTM, we don't have enough high end skill in our top six. Ideally Vinny returns to form next season, but that's not a given. Mika is a total enigma, so good luck trying to guess what he actually is long term. It will be very interesting to see what Drury's vision is for his top six.

If the rangers are banking on Trocheck returning to form, Zibanejad returning to form, and Miller to be their #1 center all at the age of 32 and compete with the elite teams in the league, I’m afraid it’s not going to work out. Especially with the defense that they have assembled. Obviously things can change but I just don’t see a scenario where they can compete with the best without some substantial upgrades on the roster.

Also I know I’m going to get resistance on this, but Panarin is still a better player than J.T. Miller.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Glad we’re setting realistic expectations for Perrault where he’s going to score 20-30 goals next season lol

His production has already decreased by 33% from last season to this one, people already writing him in as a productive top 6 player from the jump are setting themselves up for disappointment especially with our teams track record

 

[bernmeister]

He played in the 4 nations cup, let that SINK IN!! HE'S BEEN ASS ALL YEAR.. LET THAT SINK IN

Again, your refusal to directly address my main pt here does not make you right and I will continue to call you out for it.

You DON'T KNOW yet you blindly insist best regimen for his cure is ONLY to sit, EXCLUSIVELY

I have said, maybe but it is also POSSIBLE that acceptable or better treatment is something like play less than full tilt, play harder, then go full tilt if you can, rinse + repeat.
You don't know yet you condemn and speak as if did

again, for as long as it takes, he IS injured, let that sink in
being injured, we have to accept whatev is best for his long term return, let that sink in

There are age and cap/term differences that work in K'Andre's favor too or at least for now. Keeping him means we'll probably need to make a decision on him this summer as far as cap and term and this is where things could go awry with him. If he decides to try to really bend us over after a half assed season I'd be inclined to trade him then. If he'll sign for something reasonable that's another story. The Kreider contract is about the limit I'd give him.

Yes, now would be the time to go long/max term, drive down the $$
The key here remains no nmc, reasonable ntc only

There’s very little reason not to trade both Panarin and Kreider in the offseason. There will be pieces that come back, likely, with cap hits in the mid-range but they’ll also return futures which Drury can use to upgrade elsewhere as needed.

Miller and Cuylle should be re-signed. Lafreniere can play either side.

Cuylle-Miller-Zibanejad
Lafreniere-Trochek-Perrault
Othmann-Parsinnen-Berard
Edstrom-Carrick-Rempe
Brisson

________-Fox
Miller-Borgen
Soucy-Schneider
Vaak
De Haan

Shesty
Quick

That would likely leave them with ample cap space to sign or trade for a LD.

As always w/any player, need to assess cost/benefit of keeping vs selling.

bread, yes
good contributor but declining and we don't want him even at half-ish let alone anywhere near his current 11.6+
need to sell high here
As I said numerous times, THIS is where you go
Panarin at half small +
for
Bischell + 1st from DAL
esp since Bisch is out now

still possible for summer if they can figure out cap

Kreider = unknown b'c unclear medical etc does not immediately allow to estimate production and if we moved, what would someone pay for that production -- assuming it is reliable [enough].

Trading Panarin without replacing his 100 points will tank this team faster than anything. I'm ok replacing him, but with who? I think if he is moved it will be at the deadline in his final year. People don't realize how much attention is paid to Panarin on a nightly basis, removing him will increase pressure on other players on the team.

That can't be helped.
If he has to be replaced -- and he does -- that is a temporary adjustment

If b'c the idiots who demand instant gratification/win now insist on giving him $$$ at this pt, it will extend beyond temporary and lead to extended team probs including by = a salary drain on our cap