Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVIII ( TDL is March 7th)

[Leonardo87]

Do I think he's faking an injury? Not at all. Do I think he told the team "hey it's flaring up right now, put me on IR so i can recuperate", with an eye on making sure he doesn't have to leave the team at the TDL? Yes, yes I do.

I'd be less convinced of that if i hadn't watched him give significantly higher effort at the 4 nations than he has in the rest of the season since the first 10 games or so. Quittin' Chris has been coasting for almost the entire season, presumably because he wants to avoid re-aggravating the injury. If he can't give more than the 20% effort he's showed the entire season, he should be on IR, but his ego wont allow that.

He can still be traded even if he is injured though.

 

[duhmetreE]

Have to start looking to the future.

If we’re trying to build Zibs trade value, I get him staying with JTM…. But Laffy desperately needs the same thing. He needs to be with JTM

All of our guys need to train their assess off this summer.

 

[SA16]

This place has been very negative and very doom and gloom this season, and I totally get it with how this team has played this season.

However, I think accusing Kreider of faking an injury so he won’t be traded really crosses the line.

It also wouldn't even work. Both Marchand and Frederic were traded. They are both injured.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

If he can't give more than the 20% effort he's showed the entire season, he should be on IR, but his ego wont allow that.

If management was smart, they would take the decision out of his hands and tell him to have a seat indefinitely. Unless, of course, the medical records don't them.......hmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[bernmeister]

Pulling a Zib? That might be difficult to prove since you can't even find legit proof that Zibanejad is doing what you described as pulling a Zib, but somehow he's getting that treatment?

Eye test shows Zib played lackluster, obv minimal effort, refused to engage physically, zero defense.
This is not taking off just a game or 2.
This is like 2 months, and the def and physicality is STILL subpar.

Can he offer ANY reasonable basis for this? NO.

So yeah, Meeka pulled a friggin zib and I call him out for it
if he doesn't like it, I'll post from 'Analyze This' again
and he can stick it.

Package Kreider and Jones for a solid prospect and some picks. Do all you can to sign Gavrikov using the freed up cash from moving Kreider. I'm not numbering lines below. If Perreault shows he's ready in camp, give him every opportunity in the top 6/PP. Parssinen needs to show what he's worth the remainder of this season or he either gets dealt or not qualified.

Panarin - Miller - Perrault
Laff - Trocheck - Zib
Cuylle - Edstrom (think he deserves a shot here when healthy) - Othmann
Berard - Carrick - Rempe
Brodz

Gavrikov - Fox
Miller - Schneider
Soucy - Borgen
Vaak/De Hann

Shesh
Garand

Presumes he has tradeable value which now he does not
and
any team going there in the summer will be taking a chance and if at all, not paying much

either ck is finished and retires,
or
we wait til he returns to whatever form he has left -- maybe 100%, maybe not -- and go from there

Do I think he's faking an injury? Not at all. Do I think he told the team "hey it's flaring up right now, put me on IR so i can recuperate", with an eye on making sure he doesn't have to leave the team at the TDL? Yes, yes I do.

I'd be less convinced of that if i hadn't watched him give significantly higher effort at the 4 nations than he has in the rest of the season since the first 10 games or so. Quittin' Chris has been coasting for almost the entire season, presumably because he wants to avoid re-aggravating the injury. If he can't give more than the 20% effort he's showed the entire season, he should be on IR, but his ego wont allow that.

bold = he's entitled if he was actually injured, which = underline

as to 4 Nations
he sat, did min minutes, and other than a single odd shift o 2 where he turned it on FOR A FEW SECONDS, he did not display more than rest of this season

 

[leetch99]

If we can get KAM at 5.5 long term, that’d be great

He’s 25.

He needs tutelage at the one on one level and not from Housley . He should be fired if firings occur . We have a few young kids that have not taken the next step up....is it coaching or did we just draft all bottom level forwards and defenders ? Something is not being done right with this team .

 

[will1066]

Cuylle-Miller-Zibanejad
York-Lindros-Fleury
Hlavac-Nedved-Dvorak
Othmann-Carrick-Rempe

 

[duhmetreE]

He needs tutelage at the one on one level and not from Housley . He should be fired if firings occur . We have a few young kids that have not taken the next step up....is it coaching or did we just draft all bottom level forwards and defenders ? Something is not being done right with this team .

KAM has gotten much better since Borgen came on.

Schneider has regressed greatly IMO.

The system and individual coaching has been subpar. I still remember when we had Jacque Martin on the defense and he did a phenomenal job. I don't see the team or any individuals coached up here at all.

 

[SA16]

KAM has gotten much better since Borgen came on.

Schneider has regressed greatly IMO.

The system and individual coaching has been subpar. I still remember when we had Jacque Martin on the defense and he did a phenomenal job. I don't see the team or any individuals coached up here at all.

Schneider hasn't regressed. He used to be bad and he's still bad. I actually think he's been better this year than he has in the previous couple though. He used to have no idea what position he was playing. He'd constantly be on the left side despite being a RD. He hasn't done that as much this year.

 

[NickyFotiu]

The whole line is below our expectations based on last year. Saying Pan’s troubles this year are due to his linemates’ off years, suggests that Pan’s successes last year were due to his linemates’ play… Can’t have our cake and eat it too. So who is driving that line? There is no out for Pan here. His production is down down by 28% from last year. If we want to say it’s because of his linemates then we have to say his success last year was because of his linemates. Trocheck’s production is down by 32%. Laf’s production is down by 19%. Laf has had the least terrible decline of the three. What we draw from these objective numbers is really going to be subjective opinion. I didn’t bother determining how much of the decline for Tro and Pan is on the PP, but our PP has certainly declined from last year.
My original point about Panarin stands: IMO KEEPING Pan doesn’t replace his past production either. I think if he gets or breaks 90 pts this season we’re lucky and it will probably be due to an improved PP. And if we keep him past this year I think it just gets worse. No crystal ball and I’d be thrilled to be wrong.

You are 100% correct. All 3 have slipped this season. My disappointment is I predicted that Bread and Vince would decline from career years in their 30's but I had thought Laf would be the guy to take a step up at his age. I really do not know what happened with Laf. He looked ready to take that next step early in the season. Looked like he was in playoff form if not better. Just a strange season where all our warts were not only exposed but got much larger.

 

[duhmetreE]

Schneider hasn't regressed. He used to be bad and he's still bad. I actually think he's been better this year than he has in the previous couple though. He used to have no idea what position he was playing. He'd constantly be on the left side despite being a RD. He hasn't done that as much this year.

How much of that is system? Players follow their man all over the ice and that’s where the breakdowns and confusion comes in.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

You are 100% correct. All 3 have slipped this season. My disappointment is I predicted that Bread and Vince would decline from career years in their 30's but I had thought Laf would be the guy to take a step up at his age. I really do not know what happened with Laf. He looked ready to take that next step early in the season. Looked like he was in playoff form if not better. Just a strange season where all our warts were not only exposed but got much larger.

Last year was the perfect storm of positive with a handful of negatives like Mika's play getting worse and Trouba and Lindgren getting worse but overall we had more positive than should be expected from year to year with no major changes. And this year it's the perfect storm of negative. The most obvious place to see this is our OT record from like 5-1 to 1-6. Illogically good to illogically bad.

 

[SA16]

How much of that is system? Players follow their man all over the ice and that’s where the breakdowns and confusion comes in.

Well he did it a lot last year and hasn't done it much this year with the same coaching staff so I would say very little

 

[bobbop]

Looking at the numbers, I think Kreider may end up being a buyout candidate. I’m not sure the Rangers can get enough of a return to justify a trade with how much they would have to retain.

Additional thought, K’Andre is still very much on the bubble. I think he will be a summer trade candidate, especially if the Rangers can sign someone like Jeff Chychrun.

 

[SA16]

Looking at the numbers, I think Kreider may end up being a buyout candidate. I’m not sure the Rangers can get enough of a return to justify a trade with how much they would have to retain.

Additional thought, K’Andre is still very much on the bubble. I think he will be a summer trade candidate, especially if the Rangers can sign someone like Jeff Chychrun.

Kreider is not a buyout candidate because he will pretend he is injured so he can't be bought out.

Also your post makes no sense. If they retained 50% his cap hit for the Rangers would be 3.25M. If they bought him out his cap hit for the Rangers next year would be 3M and the year after 4M. So what "numbers" were you looking at?

I also doubt they would sign Jeff Chychrun since he retired 31 years ago.

 

[mas0764]

Yeah Kreider alone isn't enough.

I struggle with the other. Zibanejad is the logical choice since it's 1 year vs 5 but I feel like nothing really changes until Panarin is gone. This mess really started with him.

I think if you could only trade one of them, you should absolutely pick Zibanejad unless the return for Panarin is a future elite 1D or 1C.

 

[mas0764]

Looking at the numbers, I think Kreider may end up being a buyout candidate. I’m not sure the Rangers can get enough of a return to justify a trade with how much they would have to retain.

Additional thought, K’Andre is still very much on the bubble. I think he will be a summer trade candidate, especially if the Rangers can sign someone like Jeff Chychrun.

Kreider should have been traded long ago, he has completely tanked his value with all his pouting and questionable injuries. I used to think he would bring a haul but now I suspect he’s toxic.

 

[mas0764]

At least the rangers know what they need going into next season now. A top pair defenseman to play with Fox, and another high end scorer.

Yeah they should’ve known that for like 3 years now.

 

[mas0764]

i'm very unhappy at what seems like top-4 Soucy next year.

i'm not saying he's a bum, just that he's not a real puck moving D that deserves to play with fox. that's what we lack.

He’s not a bum but he’s not a legit top 4 D on a team with playoff aspirations let alone Cup aspirations. Neither are any of our D additions in the last few months.

 

[mas0764]

But is he a steady enough D that can play with Brogen while Miller plays with Fox?

IMO Drury knows he's at least 1 d-man short and will look to address it during the off season

Not convinced Borgen is steady enough for a top 4 role.

 

[mas0764]

i'm the squad leader of the k'adre on this board and even I think that if you put miller in that position, you need someone to lead the borgen pair with puck moving and mobility.


Passing to break the puck out: this is what kills the Rangers in the playoffs. every f***ing year. they refuse to hire coaches that make it easy on the players, so you need excellent puck movers to stand a chance.

Miller Fox
Soucy Borgen
Vaak Schneider

it's just not good enough.

Not even close. We had high upside guys like Trouba and Lindgren who had pedigree and then crapped out. You need to replace them with thoroughbreds who are actually good.

We flipped some mid assets for a couple of journeymen and that includes Borgen. This D core is ass.

 

[mas0764]

A lot of people are convinced that this is the final product for the defense. I'm just not so sure.

Needs a ton of work.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

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[mas0764]

Didn't really buy, didn't really sell. Okay Drury.

He has faith in this shitty core. That’s an indictment.

 

[Savant]

Looking at the numbers, I think Kreider may end up being a buyout candidate. I’m not sure the Rangers can get enough of a return to justify a trade with how much they would have to retain.

Additional thought, K’Andre is still very much on the bubble. I think he will be a summer trade candidate, especially if the Rangers can sign someone like Jeff Chychrun.

With the way the "new look" Rangers defense look; if they don't think Miller is a no doubt 1LHD, they have to move him