Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVI

[Edge]

If ADA was traded it would not be for a prospect lol

I'll take it a step further - I think if any of them are traded, it won't be for a prospect.

I truly believe, whenever possible, the focus is going to be on acquiring a young-ish player either already in the NHL, or on the cusp.

If we're talking about ADA, at some point, they'll be looking for a player in a similar age range --- plus or minus a couple of years.

 

[Leetch3]

The RHD playing on the left side debate aside for a second, I'm not sure I am totally sold on the potential combinations we're talking about.

A defense with ADA, Lundkvist and Fox is very skilled, but that's also going to be a pretty darn small corps. I'll also admit that it would feel like a defense designed to help the Rangers out-gun the opposition, as opposed to shut them down.

Now, if we can a left side to develop that includes Miller, Hajek and Lindgren, that could help balance things out a little. Though, we'd still have four defenseman who are 6'0, 195 and smaller.

So in addition to the issue of playing the off-side, I will say that the combination of how the players fit together is also something that factors into my thought process. But it's a ways off and admittedly not something I spend a lot of time contemplating.

the lack of side among our RHD d prospects is why getting a guy like trouba was a big deal...but I'm less concerned with the lack of size and more concerned with the ability to play defensive. You can be small and still good defensively, if fox/deangelo/lundkvist are smart players breaking up plays with their sticks and getting out of the zone quickly I don't think anyone will care that they are smaller. plus we should also have size on the left to help balance that out.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Super hypothetical. Borderline stupid. Pipedream type idea: How can we figure out a trade to send Tony to Philly for Ghost?

Edit: I know he is a Lefty. It would allow Hajek to go back to the AHL, and we can try Keane in the 3RD role. Ghost - Trouba, Skjei - Fox, Lindgren - Keane

 

[Edge]

the lack of side among our RHD d prospects is why getting a guy like trouba was a big deal...but I'm less concerned with the lack of size and more concerned with the ability to play defensive. You can be small and still good defensively, if fox/deangelo/lundkvist are smart players breaking up plays with their sticks and getting out of the zone quickly I don't think anyone will care that they are smaller. plus we should also have size on the left to help balance that out.

I don't have a problem with two of ADA/Lundkvist/Fox doing that alongside some of the names we're talking about, but we're floating the idea having all three of them do it, and having one switch to the left, which means one of the guys on the left will not be there to balance that out.

So, for me, the issue won't really be about having 2 of 3 at some point. I just don't think we'll have all 3.

 

[Leetch3]

I don't have a problem with two of ADA/Lundkvist/Fox doing that alongside some of the names we're talking about, but we're floating the idea having all three of them do it, and having one switch to the left, which means one of the guys on the left will not be there to balance that out.

So, for me, the issue won't really be about having 2 of 3 at some point. I just don't think we'll have all 3.

since Trouba will be here I agree with that...and given the value of RHD, assuming all 3 pan out, I think using the 4th guy as a trade chip will be more valuable than playing him on the left considering our left side should be pretty solid anyway in a few years.

 

[RangersFan1994]

I think you mean Josh Anderson

I agree that he could be a Fast replacement. But how much would he cost to acquire? There's also the fact that he needs a new contract. He's having a down year, but he scored 27 goals and 47 points a year ago.

He's currently making 2.1 mil (1.85 cap hit). Fast is making 1.95 mil (1.85 cap hit). Anderson will be 26 in May. Fast will be 28 in a week. Neither is likely to get a long term deal, but Anderson is likely looking at a larger AAV.

Anderson also plays a tough game, fights when needed. throws the body around, Anderson and Lemmy would be fun to watch. Rangers need more players like Anderson and Lemmy in my opinion

 

[RangerBoy]

All things being equal, and keeping to what we've seen so far, I don't think Trouba or Fox are going anywhere.

The decision will likely come down to ADA vs. Lundkvist at some point. And the debate will be whether you want offense or balance.

I also don't really see a scenario where they move a guy over to the left side. I think it's a fun thought, but I don't see the Rangers doing with three RHD who are all under six feet and 200 pounds. I just don't.

If we got to that point, and it's a very big if because things rarely go as easy we plan, or operate on the timetable we covet, it will also come down to the preferences of their trading partner.

Assuming that Lundkvist is potentially two years off from forcing this discussion, ADA will be on his next contract and 26 years old. In other words he will be in his prime and considered a veteran presence on this team.

If you had to pin me down, today, and force me to make a prediction, I think the Rangers probably move Lundkvist in a package that nets them a player at a different position. I think they look to get a guy who can step in immediately and have a major impact, and not keep pushing things a little further down the road.

But we couldn't fully predict what today would look like back in November 2017; so I'd somewhat discourage getting too wrapped up today in what November 2021 will look like.

ADA has more value than Lundkvist.

 

[Avery16]

Arizona is looking for a "gritty" #6/7 guy. Any chance we can find a way to dump Marc Staal on them?

Ok but where are they getting the 6-7 gritty D then

 

[Tawnos]

Ok but where are they getting the 6-7 gritty D then

My first thought was to see what interest in Smith @ 50% they have.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Arizona is looking for a "gritty" #6/7 guy. Any chance we can find a way to dump Marc Staal on them?

when has Staal every been gritty, unless this is what you meant?

 

[Edge]

Super hypothetical. Borderline stupid. Pipedream type idea: How can we figure out a trade to send Tony to Philly for Ghost?

Edit: I know he is a Lefty. It would allow Hajek to go back to the AHL, and we can try Keane in the 3RD role. Ghost - Trouba, Skjei - Fox, Lindgren - Keane

At some point, guys are going to be moved. I mean already we're talking about what Lundkvist can bring, and in the process we've almost lost sight of the fact that Joey Keane isn't chopped liver himself and having a pretty darn good pro debut this season.

It will also be interesting to see how fans react to the Rangers approach. You're going to have a lot of smaller, more offensively skilled players who are likely going to put up numbers that people notice - including ADA, Fox, Lundkvist, Keane, Miller and Jones.

On that flip side of that, you're going to have more defensively-oriented players who might not put up eye-catching numbers that people notice - including Lindgren, Hajek, Robertson and Reunanen.

Finding the right combination will take time and will not an exact science. However, there is usually an urge to hang onto the guys with the offensive numbers and reluctance to move them for fear they are going to light us up whenever we see them. But looking at the numbers, at some point, most of these guys will be playing hockey elsewhere before they're old enough to rent a car. Some of them will be guys that we really like.

 

[Vitto79]

so alot can change but as of today who do you protect on D for expansion? Pick 3

Trouba, De Angelo, Skjei, Hajek, Lindgren

Fox not eligible.

 

[Edge]

ADA has more value than Lundkvist.

Right now, yes.

And ultimately, that may be the deciding factor. Whether the Rangers want to move the player with the higher value, or whether they'd prefer to hold onto that guy.

 

[AlaBlueShirt]

so alot can change but as of today who do you protect on D for expansion? Pick 3

Trouba, De Angelo, Skjei, Hajek, Lindgren

Fox not eligible.

Trouba, Tony and Lindgren

 

[Ola]

Not sure I get the 90’s reference. The Pens do it all the time. Chicago did it. It might need different break out plays from your own end zone but it’s not difficult if the player thrives on the off side.

Orpik-Gonchar (2009)
Maatta-Daley (2016 & 2017)
Hainsey-Dumoulin (2017)

Hmm, three examples in a decade, is that all the time?

It’s becoming more rare and rare with Ds on the wrong side. Like when I played in Sweden some coaches put both Ds on the wrong side even if he had one of each. It’s still a lot easier in College and especially Europe.

But in the NHL right now it’s certainly not optimal.

 

[Avery16]

 

[Kovalev27]

Trouba DeAngelo and depending where they are at in their development at that point one of either HAJek or lindgren. Which ever guy is better at that point.

just because of his contract age and what we have behind him coming When expansion happens you don’t protect Skjei.

 

[Avery16]

My first thought was to see what interest in Smith @ 50% they have.

Fool me once...

 

[Edge]

so alot can change but as of today who do you protect on D for expansion? Pick 3

Trouba, De Angelo, Skjei, Hajek, Lindgren

Fox not eligible.

Trouba, ADA and a toss-up between Hajek and Lindgren.

I think Skjei gets moved before that point. Less likely, but still possible is that one of Hajek/Lindgren is moved.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Kicking Wayne Simmonds' ass on Saturday was the best thing he ever did for the Rangers

 

[Vitto79]

Trouba, ADA and a toss-up between Hajek and Lindgren.

I think Skjei gets moved before that point. Less likely, but still possible is that one of Hajek/Lindgren is moved.

Yea was thinking Skjei may not even get claimed so protect a kid

 

[NYRangers16]

How does Nieves being 4C relate to Chytil?

When Mika comes back they have to decide if Strome is staying glued to Panarin or not. I think they should shift him to the RW on the top line with Panarin and Zib. Leave the Chytil line alone.

But nothing on the 4th line has any bearing on where Chytil plays?

I’d agree with this. Keep that chemistry going and shift Fast down. Chytil has been great at center so they really shouldn’t mess with that.

 

[Edge]

Kicking Wayne Simmonds' ass on Saturday was the best thing he ever did for the Rangers

I know I'm probably in the minority on this one, but I've never been wowed by McIlrath as a fighter.

I think he's very good and all, but people talked about his fighting so much and I just never came away feeling like I saw someone who looked like an unstoppable force out there.

At this point, I've watched him for more than 10 years and my stance has remained relatively unchanged.

 

[NYR Viper]

My one concern is that we're close and so then we hang on to guys we really should be moving at this point. There was an article in The Post today that really talked about "hope."

I agree with a lot of the sentiment, but I also view this strategically. In Kreider's case, I'm just not sure there's a real path forward that makes me feel comfortable over the long-run.

I'm not interested in the concepts of self-rentals at this point --- not yet at least.

Strome I'm less concerned with because he's a RFA, so there's not the risk of losing him for nothing. If we don't move him at the deadline, I don't think it's a huge deal.

So far we haven't deviated from the course, but if we're still hovering around our current pace, maybe a little higher, we'll also be facing a pretty decent temptation as well. I'd be curious to see what the reaction is if that's the case.

This was my biggest fear going into the season

 

[Ola]

so alot can change but as of today who do you protect on D for expansion? Pick 3

Trouba, De Angelo, Skjei, Hajek, Lindgren

Fox not eligible.

The answer to your question is 100% dependable on what TDA make at that point? Everyone are just in total denial about the decision Gorton put us in when he signed TDA to that bridge deal.

Tony D has 17 pts in 22 games. He was our second best skaters the 2nd half of the season last year. If he was good defensively he would be a lock to be a Norris Candidate.

Trouba is 3 years away from becoming an UFA. He will get paid a lot in arbitration next summer if he gets 50+ pts — of course. Two year arbitration award. The year after that he can just take the QO and be an UFA the following season.

Gorton is making extremely poor contract decisions and the people covering this team has no clue how the CBA works. They still talk about the Bridge Contract like it’s some fantastic option. Brooks isn’t afraid to call people out, but he loves the cowboy mambo jambo talk Slats started with.

What is the cost to lock up TDA to a long term deal next summer? 6.5m per? 7m per?

A 5 year deal at around 4m last summer would have been perfect.

People also talk about Buchnevich like he potentially could have a future here? Lol. After his bridge deal is up he can take the arbitration deal (our settle before it since everyone known the outcome), and be an UFA when the 2 year arbitration awards ends.

What would it take to lock up Buch to a long term deal right before he gets to UFA? 7m per? 8m per?

They are history, unless they are willing to forfeit a ton of money within grasp to stay in NY.

Lemieux could potentially be saved.

Can you imagine that we could have locked these guys up to extremely favorable deals last summer? All stars aligned and Gorton dropped the ball.