Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVI

[NYR Viper]

Would LOVE to grab Josh Anderson right now. That would make us much tougher to play against when the first two lines are resting. The combination of Lemiuex and Anderson would abuse teams physically and mentally. You need that kind of depth to wear teams down.

He's the type of player winning teams would target for a specific role to help them win in the playoffs. I would be hopeful Gorton would at least be inquiring. JD knows him well I'm sure

 

[Mac n Gs]

Quinn is gonna move Chytil who’s been our best center and has dominated with Kreider and Buchy, to Wing to accommodate Strome and Howden and I’m going to be livid.

Results aside, I still am very confused as to why Quinn even broke up the Kreider-Chytil-Buchnevich line. That line was producing great results and was doing everything you'd want a strong 2nd line to do. Moving Chytil off of C just doesn't make sense based on how well he's played since being called up.

 

[Kovalev27]

Results aside, I still am very confused as to why Quinn even broke up the Kreider-Chytil-Buchnevich line. That line was producing great results and was doing everything you'd want a strong 2nd line to do. Moving Chytil off of C just doesn't make sense based on how well he's played since being called up.

makes zero sense. That line never even dipped. They’ve been tremendous. Even in the bad games they were our only good line. The three of them should be glued together.

now Quinn is going to do something even more stupid. He’s going to disrupt Chytil’s progress because he’s going to want to keep Howden as the 3C. Chytil is not a winger. He needs to be carrying the mail he’s one of the best in the league at it already at 20 years old.

 

[Greg02]

Where is the Chytil to wing speculation coming from? Did Quinn say something concrete or are we just kvetching about the possibility?

 

[Filthy Dangles]

alreayd posted

 

[Kovalev27]

I can't see why it makes any sense to buy out Staal rather than just not play him. They don't need the cap space. Why extend it another year even if it's minimal?

Oh they’re def going to need cap space this summer

 

[True Blue]

so alot can change but as of today who do you protect on D for expansion? Pick 3

Trouba, De Angelo, Skjei, Hajek, Lindgren

Fox not eligible.

Trouba, De Angelo, Lindgren

 

[Kovalev27]

So Quinn wouldn’t say where but said Chytil would stay at center. That’s better news than I expected after Vince said they had Fast rotating in on the 4th line

 

[Ola]

There was no cap space to do that.

They could have bought out Staal and Smith.

 

[Ola]

How did the stars align? There wasn't space to do these things.

Tony couldn't get a long term deal, there literally was not cap space for it. Not to mention, it's easy to say now that they should have locked him up since he's playing great, but last summer he was coming off his first and only impressive year, and even then he was scratched an awful lot.

You're talking about 3 years from now like any of us know what the overall team makeup is going to be by then. Look back 3 yers ago and think of how realistic it would have been to guess what the team would look like today.

The stars aligned:
1. We could have bought out Staal and Smith next to Shatty and easily afforded long term deals for at least 2 of 3.

2. TDA, Buch and Lemieux had played long enough to prove that they were NHLers, but not long enough to put up a solid enough case to request big money last summer.

3. TDA and Lemieux didn’t have arbitration rights. They either take what Gorton offers them, say 3.75m for 5 years for TDA, or plays in the KHL. It’s up to them what they want to do.

It’s these type of guys with a imperfect record that you can lock up long term. You are screwed with the guys that break out before they get arbitration rights and have a perfect resume.

 

[haveandare]

The stars aligned:
1. We could have bought out Staal and Smith next to Shatty and easily afforded long term deals for at least 2 of 3.

2. TDA, Buch and Lemieux had played long enough to prove that they were NHLers, but not long enough to put up a solid enough case to request big money last summer.

3. TDA and Lemieux didn’t have arbitration rights. They either take what Gorton offers them, say 3.75m for 5 years for TDA, or plays in the KHL. It’s up to them what they want to do.

It’s these type of guys with a imperfect record that you can lock up long term. You are screwed with the guys that break out before they get arbitration rights and have a perfect resume.

Pretty big difference between having a perfect resume and having, in Tony's case, a single full season of NHL play.

Lemieux will not be a problem at all in my opinion. He just had a great game so everyone is very high on him. He's not going to be getting anything like big money though if we're being realistic and doesn't need to be locked up in a long term deal to prevent a huge payday. He'll top out as a 40 point player at most imo.

Buch is going to be a pickle if he keeps this pace up, no question about it. I don't know enough about how buyouts work to say if it would have been wise to buyout all those guys money wise, but just hockey wise, I don't think it's realistic for a team like NYR to buyout half their defense in a single offseason, even if those guys aren't very good.

You can lock these guys up long term before they prove much because the risk is huge for the team. That's why the players will sign long term deals at that point in the arcs. It's always about a balance of risk.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

To me ADA and Fox feels like a false choice. IMO Fox is already good defensively and he probably can get better.

They are both smallish and great at offense so there is an implicit bias that that both must also suck at defense. ADA I can see the argument. I’m not so sure with Fox.

 

[Ola]

He' a great fighter the way Tom Wilson is a great fighter - they are willing. Either of of them would get rocked by any top tier 80's or 90's fighter. McIlrath's balance while fighting is bad and he leaves himself too open. On a related note is that shine Lemieux is sorting courtesy of Wilson? I didn't see him really get caught like that...

McIlrath could fight the heavyweights, that’s something different.

Some guys can be really vicious against weaker opponents. But there arent many guys in this league who can go toe to toe against a Ryan Reeves, not to mention the old guard of Colton Orr and co.

 

[Kovalev27]

At some point Quinn should start giving some pk mins to either 77 or 23 or both. We’re already like 28th in the league on the pk. We already run 8 76 55 and 25 ahead of them. Why not give them back half mins on the pk? We can’t rely on keeping smith in that role forever

 

[Kovalev27]

So Quinn also saying he’s keeping Strome with Panarin so considering how well Chytil played with CK and Buchy all we’re doing is upgrading the 3rd and 4th lines? I don’t disagree with Quinn a lot with how he deploys his players but we should be strengthening the top line and slotting everyone else down a spot. Strome has been abused by top centers nightly. He was awful last night. Literally everyone that plays with Panarin puts up pts.

 

[RGY]

What do we think the price would be for Josh Anderson? CBJ emptied the cupboard so to speak with their draft picks and to a lesser degree prospects.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

To me ADA and Fox feels like a false choice. IMO Fox is already good defensively and he probably can get better.

They are both smallish and great at offense so there is an implicit bias that that both must also suck at defense. ADA I can see the argument. I’m not so sure with Fox.

The way Fox is trending (and yes it's incredibly early), I'd take Fox 90/100 times moving forward.

 

[RGY]

 

[SA16]

Oh they’re def going to need cap space this summer

For what exactly? The FA class is terrible. Not a single player worth signing. The thread of hitting all these huge bonuses appears to be nearly nonexistent now. Kreider will be gone. Strome is likely gone. I don't think they need 20M in space so they can sign DeAngelo Lemieux Fast (who they shouldn't sign anyway) and Georgiev.

They could have bought out Staal and Smith.

All that would do is push the DeAngelo contract extension issue to become a Fox/Kakko/Chytil/Buchnevich extension issue when their contracts are up and now those guys are still on the cap.

 

[GAGLine]

I can't see why it makes any sense to buy out Staal rather than just not play him. They don't need the cap space. Why extend it another year even if it's minimal?

Because whether we play him or not, he takes up a roster spot. He can't be sent to the AHL without his permission due to the NMC.

If he's on the roster, he's going to get some games, whether it's due to injury or just to send a message to other players. Keeping him on the roster the entire year and not giving him any games would be a total dick move. The Rangers aren't going to do that to him. Better to just buy him out and move on.

 

[Kendo]

I'd protect Trouba, Skjei, and Lindgren.

I feel like we just can't move on from Skjei until we have a LD that's flat out better than him.

Tony D has value, and likely contract control upcoming. He would be a great trade asset for a forward (preferably C) of roughly the same age.

Expose Hajek. He's a good kid, and has some upside, but with Miller/Rykov/Reunanen/Robertson/Jones/Skinner/Etc developing, losing a Hajek won't hurt much.

2021-2022:
Skjei - Trouba
Lindgren - Fox
Miller/1000Options - Lundkvist/AFewOptions

 

[SA16]

Because whether we play him or not, he takes up a roster spot. He can't be sent to the AHL without his permission due to the NMC.

If he's on the roster, he's going to get some games, whether it's due to injury or just to send a message to other players. Keeping him on the roster the entire year and not giving him any games would be a total dick move. The Rangers aren't going to do that to him. Better to just buy him out and move on.

1/3 of the league is operating with a 22man roster right now anyway so I don't see why they really need the 23rd spot. The Kings are doing that right now with Kovalchuk. Toronto did it all of last year with Holl (not that he's an established player or anything). The Blues pretty much did all last year to Thorburn sending him to the AHL after not playing a single AHL game in 12 years. If he doesn't want to sit all year he's perfectly allowed to accept a trip to Hartford, accept a trade somewhere if Gorton finds one, or agree to mutually terminate the contract.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I personally wouldn't buy out Staal or Smith. Certainly not both. Don't see cap space being an issue to be honest.

If I am making the decisions, DeAngelo is getting a 2/3 year bridge, and Lemeuix is getting a 1/2 year bridge.

DeAngelo's deal allows you to get a better sense of what you have in Lundkvist and Keane, and he can potentially get paid big bucks after and Lemeuix hasn't earned anything more than a 2 year commitment thus far

Outside of that, I'm not seeing any need for a massive amount of space. Unless of course they want to commit to Strome long term, which I wouldn't personally.

 

[GAGLine]

1/3 of the league is operating with a 22man roster right now anyway so I don't see why they really need the 23rd spot. The Kings are doing that right now with Kovalchuk. Toronto did it all of last year with Holl (not that he's an established player or anything). The Blues pretty much did all last year to Thorburn sending him to the AHL after not playing a single AHL game in 12 years. If he doesn't want to sit all year he's perfectly allowed to accept a trip to Hartford, accept a trade somewhere if Gorton finds one, or agree to mutually terminate the contract.

What happened with those players has no bearing on what the Rangers will do with Staal. Hate him all you want, the Rangers aren't going to do that to him.

 

[Kovalev27]

For what exactly? The FA class is terrible. Not a single player worth signing. The thread of hitting all these huge bonuses appears to be nearly nonexistent now. Kreider will be gone. Strome is likely gone. I don't think they need 20M in space so they can sign DeAngelo Lemieux Fast (who they shouldn't sign anyway) and Georgiev.



All that would do is push the DeAngelo contract extension issue to become a Fox/Kakko/Chytil/Buchnevich extension issue when their contracts are up and now those guys are still on the cap.

going to have to pay DeAngelo And Lemieux for sure.

they may decide they want to keep Georgiev which I don’t think they will but if they do they’ll have to pay him.

they’ll have to pay Strome. I don’t think he’s leaving. Not yet.

and we don’t know yet for sure what they intend to do with kreider.

if they don’t bring Kreider or Strome back then sure no big issue on cap space. But I’m not so sure that’ll be the case. Think at least one stays.