Chalfdiggity3
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I completely agree. It will be in a package for a young top 6 center
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I completely agree. It will be in a package for a young top 6 center
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As of a 1/4 way through the season... Adam Fox is the 2nd best player on the New York Rangers in 2019.
I'd think he's more than capable to PK.
I'd think he's more than capable to PK.
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He would if its a Turcotte or a Zegras
Hopefully Anaheim or LAK win the Byfield sweepstakes and look to strengthen other areas.
I can see a Strome for ADA type of hockey trade
Who are we adding to ADA to get Turcotte or Zegras? Is it going to be Kravtsov or Miller?
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haohmaru
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I’ve played D mostly on my off side:
advantages:
strong defending down the middle
Shots from the point
Shot blocking
Disadvantages:
much more difficult defending along the boards
More difficult to clear along/up the boards - usually have to reverse your clear
Personally I preferred playing on my off side but I get why some guys can’t make that adjustment. You have to have an inclination to do so otherwise it’s really difficult.
advantages:
strong defending down the middle
Shots from the point
Shot blocking
Disadvantages:
much more difficult defending along the boards
More difficult to clear along/up the boards - usually have to reverse your clear
Personally I preferred playing on my off side but I get why some guys can’t make that adjustment. You have to have an inclination to do so otherwise it’s really difficult.
Shesterkybomb
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I've always liked playing on my offside as a winger, but the speed of the NHL must be tough to make quick plays off the wall on d. Bringing the puck off the wall on your backhand and getting it to your forehand before you can move it takes extra time and you can get burned quick. It's not ideal at that level. I'm not sure how it shakes out but it will suck if DeAngelo's contract demands make it so we have to move him anyway.
DeAngelo stays here until someone plays their way into the lineup and gives us a reason to move him.
Our production from the D as a whole is the one part of our game that is way ahead of where I thought it would be now.
Our production from the D as a whole is the one part of our game that is way ahead of where I thought it would be now.
The Rangers have to expose a signed D for 21-22 with 40 NHL games played in 20-21 and 70 NHL games played combined in 19-20 & 20-21 in the expansion draft. Skjei would be the guy to expose. He was playing in a coma until the last two games. He has a big ticket. $5.25M per for 3 more years will be left in the summer of 2021. Maybe the Rangers wouldn't mind shedding that contract. He has limited NTC beginning in 21-22. 10 team no trade list. Will Seattle select Skjei? They have to select players making up at least 60% of the prior year's cap which would 20-21. The current cap is $81.5M. Another $2M increase. $83.5M. Seattle would need to select 30 players making up $50.1M of the $83.5M cap.
Trouba has a NMC. It comes down to protecting two of the three D eligible in DeAngelo, Lindgren and Hajek.
The Rangers have Miller and Lundkvist waiting in the wings.
Will the Rangers pay and keep DeAngelo? The Rangers are paying Trouba a fortune. Fox is getting better and better every game. He will get a big 2nd contract if he continues on this path. He is eligible for arbitration.
If Miller turns pro this summer and he is ready for the NHL sooner than later, the Rangers will have really good depth on the left side with Miller, Lindgren, Hajek and Skjei. Maybe the Rangers find a trade for Skjei and they pick up a D to meet the expansion draft requirements. The Rangers will still have that Staal guy under contract for next season. The Rangers should buy Staal out this summer and move on.
The Rangers have good options.
Keane's offense in hartford has been nice to see but I think his potential path to NY is being strong defensively...he isn't going to be better than those other guys offensively, but if he can be respectable offensively and much better defensively that gives him a potential edge.
Yeah, and like it wasn't an issue in the NHL 1990.
But the game is so fast now, teams are so smart. If you have a D on your off side -- the other team will take advantage of it. If you are a left shot on the right side and go and fetch a puck like laying dead still in the right corner, you are in a exposed situation. Its not fun to go and fetch that puck if you AO or Wilson or someone like that breading down your neck. Its much easier to do it as a left shot on the left side. You can just fire the puck along the boards and then tuck your arms in and lean against the boards to absorb the blow. On the off side, you its a longer movement, you play the puck with your back towards the ice, then you have to turn 45 degrees before you go up against the boards.
I think it as much as anything else wears guys out. The opponents will put it in your corner every time and go after you hard.
Then you have the D to D passes that are a big issue at the NHL level. Either the D receiving the pass must turn towards the D making the pass, or collect it with his backhand. Collecting that pass with your back hand when you are skating up ice, the pass is hard, the ice is crappy, its not optimal. Many small things. And of course some advantages. But I think the physical and mental challenge just makes it impossible long-term.
Yeah, everything about Fox is tremendously impressive, but with all these guys -- I think we kind of miss just how much they have developed in the off-season. The organization deserves a lot of credit for the environment we created for these guys off the ice. Fox blades work is excellent, he is certainly more explosive now than he was for the US in the WCHs. Its the same with Lindgren to the D. RL has always been an OK skater, but just got significantly more jump right now. Hajak is another one that definitely is even stronger on his skates.
We see it with Lias, how he improved his step, but that was because Lias was around last year and its so obvious (at least early in the season...).
I think the shape all these guys showed up in is huuuge for the organization. I've not seen anything like it since like 2004-2005. We created a really good off-season program and over a few years that really paid off. Dubi, Ortmayer and Hollweg had big issues in their skating, among others. We pushed those guys really hard and all of a sudden they could be fairly fast by any standard when going in on the forecheck. I don't think we layed off that work, but others catched up. I think we have taken it another notch now by really focusing the training on the right things in combination with players really putting a lot of focus on their diet and slimming down.
And a huge part of this is of course also the kids pushing each other. Its probably the biggest factor. Its just one thing to motivate your self to train 27 hours per day because some psychotic has been stands there and screams at you that its a must, and another thing to do it if you got 5 pals doing it already and you see it as a minimum to not fall behind.
haohmaru
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I agree on Staal. The cap hit implications of buying him out next year are minimal. We need the roster spot for other players.
If Skjei is traded, that would still leave us with Trouba, DeAngelo, Lindgren and Hajek who need protection. Trouba obviously has to be protected because of the NMC, so that means 1 of the other 3 will be left unprotected, assuming they aren't traded. All of those 3 should satisfy the 40 games or 70 games requirements, barring injury, so there probably won't be a need to sign someone to expose.
At forward, we will likely protect Panarin, Zib, Buchnevich, Chytil, Lemieux, Howden, with one slot left. Kakko doesn't need protection. Kreider and Strome will probably be gone, but if we end up re-signing one of them, or we trade for/sign someone who needs protection, we have the extra slot. Or Andersson can be protected, assuming he's still here. Or Fast, if he is re-signed.
I think we're in really good shape for the expansion draft. Our rebuild came at the right time as a lot of players are exempt, and a lot of the ones who aren't, have been traded or soon will be. We'll need to sign a goalie to expose, but that shouldn't be a problem. We'll likely lose a dman in the draft, but we've got plenty of depth.
Edge
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The RHD playing on the left side debate aside for a second, I'm not sure I am totally sold on the potential combinations we're talking about.
A defense with ADA, Lundkvist and Fox is very skilled, but that's also going to be a pretty darn small corps. I'll also admit that it would feel like a defense designed to help the Rangers out-gun the opposition, as opposed to shut them down.
Now, if we can a left side to develop that includes Miller, Hajek and Lindgren, that could help balance things out a little. Though, we'd still have four defenseman who are 6'0, 195 and smaller.
So in addition to the issue of playing the off-side, I will say that the combination of how the players fit together is also something that factors into my thought process. But it's a ways off and admittedly not something I spend a lot of time contemplating.
A defense with ADA, Lundkvist and Fox is very skilled, but that's also going to be a pretty darn small corps. I'll also admit that it would feel like a defense designed to help the Rangers out-gun the opposition, as opposed to shut them down.
Now, if we can a left side to develop that includes Miller, Hajek and Lindgren, that could help balance things out a little. Though, we'd still have four defenseman who are 6'0, 195 and smaller.
So in addition to the issue of playing the off-side, I will say that the combination of how the players fit together is also something that factors into my thought process. But it's a ways off and admittedly not something I spend a lot of time contemplating.
Shesterkybomb
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His contract is gonna have to be very team friendly or he is gone, I dont see Tony doing that.
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We are giving up 3.5 goals per game. Only Detroit and Florida are worse. Detroit also stinks offensively (2.27 goals per game), which is why they are the worst team in the league. Florida (3.54) and the Rangers (3.36) have managed to outscore their mistakes enough to be middle of the pack teams.
We've given up 5 or more goals 7 times in 22 games. 4 or more in 11 of 22 games. We've given up 22 PP goals in 22 games.
If we can fix the PK and tighten up a bit 5 on 5, this can be a playoff team.
We've given up 5 or more goals 7 times in 22 games. 4 or more in 11 of 22 games. We've given up 22 PP goals in 22 games.
If we can fix the PK and tighten up a bit 5 on 5, this can be a playoff team.
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I don't think re-signing ADA is going to be an issue.
But that also means that Kreider is gone, and potentially Strome.
The Ranger could have more than $10 million coming off the books after this season. Money won't be the issue.
But that also means that Kreider is gone, and potentially Strome.
The Ranger could have more than $10 million coming off the books after this season. Money won't be the issue.
Edge
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I think the thing we have to be cautious about is reacting to when this team has parts coming together and when those parts aren't.
Right now, there are a lot of parts coming together, and that's allowed us to get back to .500. But it's to be expected that there are going to be stretches where the offense isn't producing like this, and the defense is probably not going to make up the difference, even with improvement.
I say this not to be a downer, but to hopefully set the table for what has a good likelihood of happening. Because when/if it does happen, we're going to be right back to the "This a Bad Hockey Team" and "Management is Lost" type threads. And those too will not be an accurate reflection.
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Wow, didn't realize Josh Anderson was having such a horrible start to this season. If Columbus was to trade him, I'd be intrigued.
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I'm not saying he's a target, but that's the kind of age range/situation I expect the Rangers to be monitoring as they're looking at potential moves this season and this off-season. Be it moving veterans, be it moving a prospect, a young player, a pick, etc., I think they're going to be looking at guys in the age range where they can step and be productive in fairly short order.
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Absolutely. There's a bit of luck involved. We might get blown out in some losses and win a bunch of 1 goal games, or we might win some blowouts and lose a bunch of 1 goal games.
Winnipeg is scoring 2.75 goals per game and giving up 3 goals per game, yet they are 14-9-1.
That said, it's pretty clear where we need to improve if we want to have success.
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