Oscar Lindberg
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Not really. His metrics point to him being about the same/a little worse than last season.
But obviously we're only 20 games in and things can change
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But obviously we're only 20 games in and things can change
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Kris King's Ghost
One of the things that will be interesting for this team is the timeline for it's defense.
We spend a lot of time talking about the center position, even the wings. But the defense, even with all of it's talent, is going to take a while to mature.
That's not a reflection of the skill levels of guys like Fox, ADA, Miller, Lundkvist, etc., so much as it's how the position usually works. So there's a very real possibility that the flashes of offensive talent, will come long before the defensive awareness starts to become consistent. And that's something very important to keep in mind as the next wave of prospects challenge for a spot. Even if the kids make the jump, there could be significant gaffes and frustrations for another several years.
with Nieves up they clearly want him at 4th line C so that means Chytil moving to the wing even after he's done well at C? argh
How does Nieves being 4C relate to Chytil?
When Mika comes back they have to decide if Strome is staying glued to Panarin or not. I think they should shift him to the RW on the top line with Panarin and Zib. Leave the Chytil line alone.
But nothing on the 4th line has any bearing on where Chytil plays?
Agreed. A forward can come into this league and rely on his skill in the beginning where a defensive prospect needs the skill but also has to understand all the subtle little nuances required to play the position.
Sure, seems possible. I wonder how much of that is on him verse how much of it is a reflection of the team being a defensive tire fire.
pld459666
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Zib, Strome, Howden, Nieves at C soooo Chytil wing......he was on a practice line on the wing today
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Kris King's Ghost
I have the sense that last year was partially about seeing how much they could improve the defensive aspects of his game, whereas this year they've somewhat accepted the level that he's currently at.
That's not to say they won't keep pushing, or that ADA's defense won't improve, but I suspect it might align with something I said last season: at some point you more or less accept what you have and you run with it. When a guy is 22 or 23, you might give him tough love to see how much more you can develop his skill set. By 24 or 25, you're somewhat learning to live with things.
i don’t think that was reported. There weren’t any line rushes.
He’ll be centering Lemieux and Buchy tonight most likely. Highly doubt they’re taking him out of the middle after how well he’s played. If they do They’re idiots
I guess my point was how does Nieves relate to Chytil? He wasn’t going to play 4C. Would you rather Chytil be 2W or 4C with scrub wingers? I don’t agree with moving Chytil to the wing either, fwiw, and I think Strome should be on Panarin’s other wing for now, but I was just saying the 4th line situation isn’t what bumps Chytil to the wing either way. It’s Zib coming back that “forces” the move. I’d be a lot more upset if Chytil was centering the 4th line to be honest.
Again, why wouldn't Howden just go to the 4th line?
I think that Nieves goes back to Hartford as soon as ZBad comes back.
I was just responding to the suggestion that Nieves playing 4C impacted where Chytil plays.
although, let’s be honest, Quinn very likely will not push Howden down to the 4th line as he seems to love him (plus he’s been playing better lately, may as well allow him to ride the progress). Strome being on the other wing instead of Fast makes that top line a lot more deadly and keeps him with Panarin while keeping the Chytil line intact (which has looked good) and letting Howden see if he can continue to pick up his play.
He may love him, but that still seems counterproductive when you consider how well Chtil has been playing as a center. I do not think that they want to yo-yo him around like that.
And while I agree in premise regarding Fast, Quinn stated that he is not moving Strome right now. That means that Fast stays where he is.
I would be very curious about a Lemieux - Chytil - Kakko line.
Oh, right. I completely forgot about that. Synergies, right?Boo affects Chytil because he obviously needs to be centering Kreider. Does no one pay attention around here?
I’d love to see Lemmy with Chytil and Kakko, or Buch. If Strome is staying at C I’d honestly love to see Lemmy take Fasts spot for a game or two and see what happens. I agree with you on everything, btw. I just don’t really wanna bump Chytil to the third line with how he’s playing and don’t know why Fast is in the top six.
Shesterkybomb
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I feel Nieves is here to stay imo. I think they likely feel Andersson is best served in the AHL now and Nieves makes more sense on the 4th line here when they need someone. Nieves is a decent pk guy so maybe that's the thought too.
Our PK troubles imo are a little to do with size on our pk. Fast god love him works his tail off but since he is short his ability to use his stick to cut off passes is limited because of his short stick and short reach. When him and Strome were out the other night there was so much room just because of that imo and they have to skate more, move more to cover up space. Maybe Nieves helps in that regard if they use him there.
Our PK troubles imo are a little to do with size on our pk. Fast god love him works his tail off but since he is short his ability to use his stick to cut off passes is limited because of his short stick and short reach. When him and Strome were out the other night there was so much room just because of that imo and they have to skate more, move more to cover up space. Maybe Nieves helps in that regard if they use him there.
Unless he just fails, he’ll probably stay up until both Mika and McKegg are back. Preferable to Haley, who also has already cleared waivers.
offdacrossbar
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see i dont really agree. lundqvist is nothing more than a prospect at his point and has little to do with tony.
my understanding was that deangelo was a player they wanted in that deal. Dvorak was another. as it turns out, tony was a solid 2nd choice.
as for the deal itself, i think it was a slam dunk. i was NEVER a stepan guy and the trend was not favorable imo. hes now 29 and dragging around 9 points in 25 games winning under 4 outa every 10 faceoffs. he was slow when he was young, now hes molasses on ice slow. no thanks.
while ADA wont be known as a defensive guy, hes no where near as bad as many here portray him to be. i think hes a top 4 guy with a reliable partner. his strength is in his ability to create offense.
he doesnt kill penalties ? thats fine. he can kill it at the point on the PP1 which more than makes up for those 5 mins per night on the PK.
we dont have that for him to partner with. skjei is a roller coaster. hajek is a rookie whos up and down. staal ? nope.
pair him with a smart partner and let tony do his thing. his ability to control possession and create chances far outweighs his river boat gambler style.
kids on a 60 point pace right now. anyone saying hes not a top 4 guy with the right partner is mistaken. im sorry.
3rd pair guys dont put up 60. and up until sat night in Montreal, he was averaging 2o + mins per night.
hardly a 3rd pair guy.
offdacrossbar
misfit fanboy
you maximize tonys strengths- and quinn seems to be doing this, by playing him on the PP alot and letting him have the green light 5v5. so far, seems to be working.
you minimize his weaknesses by avoiding the PK and some defensive zone starts as well. try to give him a partner who can cover for him both when hes playing forward in the O zone and losing his man and having the occasional coverage brain fart.
he will never be a defensive dman but he can well become a real force offensively- more so than he already is, by playing more mins when hes going and understanding that the good outweighs the bad when looking at the big picture.
you minimize his weaknesses by avoiding the PK and some defensive zone starts as well. try to give him a partner who can cover for him both when hes playing forward in the O zone and losing his man and having the occasional coverage brain fart.
he will never be a defensive dman but he can well become a real force offensively- more so than he already is, by playing more mins when hes going and understanding that the good outweighs the bad when looking at the big picture.
SA16
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I think ADA can kill penalties. The team doesn't use him that way and it's probably a waste of his skillset to do so anyway.
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