Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XV

[Fitzy]

Chytil has nothing to do with Strome.

At some point, one needs to assess what they truly have in hand.

I couldn't disagree more with your first sentence. Once Zibanejad returns they are literally fighting for that second line spot.

 

[Kovalev27]

I don’t think they are.

that spot is chytil’s.

I think Strome goes back to being what he is. He’ll either play wing on the top line, center the 3rd line or play wing on that line. He’s ready to fill in where he’s needed. That’s part of his value

 

[True Blue]

I don’t think they are.

that spot is chytil’s.

I think Strome goes back to being what he is. He’ll either play wing on the top line, center the 3rd line or play wing on that line. He’s ready to fill in where he’s needed. That’s part of his value

You have just summed up exactly how I see Strome. Personally, I would keep him on top line as RW, but part of his value is his versatility.

 

[Kovalev27]

And as someone else pointed out very much may see us give him a 1 year show me deal that also gives them more time to evaluate their young guys before committing any real term to him.

my gut tells me 4x4 as I mentioned earlier or 1 year deal. I don’t think they’ll trade him this year

 

[LORDE]

I don’t know about Strome. I think he is the kind of guy that teams have gotten burned on signing to long term deals. Especially as a rebuilding team, I think it would be wise to sell high there.

I tend to agree here. He's been a nice player for us but IF, IF you can get something nice for him I think you have to do it.

Honestly we're seeing how some of these prospects probably won't work out. I don't want the rebuild to go on forever, but at some point we need more chances at finding those difference makers.

 

[kovazub94]

I couldn't disagree more with your first sentence. Once Zibanejad returns they are literally fighting for that second line spot.

Not sure if “fighting” is appropriate term for this situation. 2C spot is Chytil’s as long as he performs at a level acceptable given his age and expected progression, EVEN IF Strome outperforms him in direct comparison.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

His numbers are inflated because of Panarin.

Trade him at the deadline and don't look back.

Overpaid depth can kill a contending roster


FWIW I think he has been a pleasant surprise

 

[rangersfansince08]

Could we get Ritchie and a second for Strome?

 

[QJL]

If Howden and/or Andersson prove capable of the 3C role by the deadline, I think we need to move Strome. That’s not looking likely right now. We will be a better team next season and should have a solid push for the playoffs. We need center depth.

The only player I’m set on moving this season is Kreider. Strome, Fast, Howden, Andersson, Smith, and a crazy offer for a goalie are all things we should listening on. I wouldn’t be surprised if Kreider was the only move.

 

[kovazub94]

His numbers are inflated because of Panarin.

Trade him at the deadline and don't look back.

Overpaid depth can kill a contending roster


FWIW I think he has been a pleasant surprise

Define “overpaid” in Strome’s case?

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Strome is the luckiest player in the world. He is shooting over 20% again. 20.8%. He never came close to those numbers during his career before last season. The guy should play the lottery. He has 5 goals. 24 shots. His shooting % with the Rangers as 22.5% last season. His CF % is 41.24 Strome is the epitome of the Rangers. So opportunistic. The Rangers are the worst puck possession team in the NHL. The Rangers are amongst the worst teams in shot suppression and shot generation. Somehow the Rangers are 7-6-2. Their goaltending is terrific and they are very opportunistic. You can use the word luck too.

The Rangers get crushed and they win games. That is going to catch up with the Rangers.



Strome was a cheaper buyout than Shattenkirk at 1/3. The Rangers needed to clear money and Strome was the cheapest buyout on the roster. They have a huge cap hit next season with Shattenkirk.

What's the rush with paying Strome? He is not a group III. He is eligible for arbitration in the summer. Give him a one year contract and he becomes a group III in 2021. The Rangers don't have to trade him either. Unless the Rangers are afraid of the arbitration case and they want to get rid of him when his value is high. The other team will be leery of the potential arbitration case too. They will trade for Strome and not qualify him in the summer.

The Rangers are asking for trouble if they give Strome a long term contract. The Rangers usually get themselves into trouble with their contracts. So why not one more. These contracts are Gorton's achilles heel like the Shattenkirk contract and the Smith contract.

I'm flattered you spend your days thinking about me.

I just thought it was funny that not only you, but half the board wanted Strome gone, and now a good portion of him want him re-signed.

I don't think buying Strome out was a good option. I also don't think extending him is a good option either. Sell high, imo. I'm sure you could agree with that.

 

[BBKers]

So “losing" Rick Nash at the TDL in 2018 will become: (most of the rights to getting) K'Andre Miller, Ryan Lindgren, Riley Hughes, eating Matt Beleskey$ in Hartford and a late 2020 1st rounder from a contender (for Ryan Strome)? Sign me up!

 

[Alluckks]

Because Strome has the 1 RFA year left there is always the chance that if we don't get a good enough TDL offer for him, and he doesn't want to take a middle ground 3 year deal, that we just bring him back on a 1 year deal and trade him at the next TDL

 

[Gardner McKay]

Could we get Ritchie and a second for Strome?

Ritchie.. surely you don't mean Brett Ritchie?

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Define “overpaid” in Strome’s case?

Right now he is not overpaid, but I believe he will be on his next contract due to his inflated numbers playing with more skilled players.

 

[Ola]

You are completely ignoring the fact that he may well use his new-found comfort level and give the Rangers a team friendly deal ($4m).

I am not saying he is untradeable, but he has done enough (SO FAR) to warrant a discussion in the family photo. And if he continues, the discussion may go from just a discussion to making room for him.

But it a long year and anything can happen. Let's see how he continues to perform. Let's see what possible offers can come for the guy.

Maybe, and maybe he really can build on the production he is getting now and can take one or two more steps forward and really become a perfectly solid center on a contender.

But its not the outcome I would put my chips on right now. Not saying I got all the answers on this one!

And for him to be a good signing, you still have to fool everyone else with the same trick all over again. I don’t for a second believe that we can get a hometown discount that is THAT meaningful that it alone will account for any meaningful premium. If you let yourself get this close to UFA you are basically screwed to start with, so at most the hometown discount take a little edge of the blow to the chin you have to take when you sign a player on the eve of UFA. But you still end up taking a real ringer.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

I couldn't disagree more with your first sentence. Once Zibanejad returns they are literally fighting for that second line spot.

It’s simple, get Fast the f*** off of that top line and replace him with Strome. Strome and Panarin have chemistry, as do Zibanejad and Panarin. Worth a try. Just move Jesper off the top line Fast

 

[GAGLine]

Right now he is not overpaid, but I believe he will be on his next contract die to his inflated numbers playing with more skilled players.

Right now he's making 3.2 mil on a 3.1 mil cap hit. If his next contract pays him 4.5 mil per year, is that overpaid? Where exactly is the line? How much are you thinking he's going to get?

 

[kovazub94]

Right now he is not overpaid, but I believe he will be on his next contract die to his inflated numbers playing with more skilled players.

That’s not what I asked. I asked how much (and for what term) his next contact should pay him for you to think it’s an overpayment. Give us your price point.

 

[Ola]

Right now he's making 3.2 mil on a 3.1 mil cap hit. If his next contract pays him 4.5 mil per year, is that overpaid? Where exactly is the line? How much are you thinking he's going to get?

Let’s say he puts up 60 pts at center (if Panarin is healthy and Strome gets to play with him he could easily get more than that). Why on earth would he sign for anything short of 6m?

Statsny just got 6.5m on a 3 year deal and he is old as hell.

 

[kovazub94]

It’s simple, get Fast the **** off of that top line and replace him with Strome. Strome and Panarin have chemistry, as do Zibanejad and Panarin. Worth a try. Just move Jesper off the top line Fast

Fast would become another scrub that drags Andersson down Fast

 

[Shesterkybomb]

He is worth more to our team than he is to another team because he fits here, and other teams will question whether he fits with them and not really want to offer much more than a late 2nd rounder or a 3rd. I dont think we will have much choice but to sign him if he is in the 4-5 year 16-22 mill range.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Ritchie.. surely you don't mean Brett Ritchie?

Guessing he means nick.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Right now he's making 3.2 mil on a 3.1 mil cap hit. If his next contract pays him 4.5 mil per year, is that overpaid? Where exactly is the line? How much are you thinking he's going to get?

I think 3.5M to 4M is the sweet spot for Strome, and I think he is playing over his head right now.

I can live with 4.5M on a 1 year deal to take him to UFA if we want to avoid the long term commitment, but then we are losing a year of cost control in trade negotiation. The guy isn't a big difference maker. Just because he has exceeded expectations does not mean we need to keep him around.

 

[True Blue]

And for him to be a good signing, you still have to fool everyone else with the same trick all over again. I don’t for a second believe that we can get a hometown discount that is THAT meaningful that it alone will account for any meaningful premium. If you let yourself get this close to UFA you are basically screwed to start with, so at most the hometown discount take a little edge of the blow to the chin you have to take when you sign a player on the eve of UFA. But you still end up taking a real ringer.

$4m would be a 20 % increase, so that is no small amount. And you are completely taking out of it the element that comes with essentially failing with two other franchises, just to find comfort and an ability to produce with a third. I would not simply write that off. We shall see, I guess.