Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XV

[Calad]

Gorton will laugh at any suggestions of over $5m. Most likely he will ask Strome to show what he can do again in his last RFA year, or do a very team friendly deal for 3-4 years that looks like $3.5-4.0-4.5-(4.5).

I was speaking about arbitration specifically for that number. On a 1 year deal via an arbitrator, if he continues to be productive this year it will be easy to find comparable and make a case for 5 million+ in arbitration

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Like I said elsewhere, i'm in favor of keeping him around. He's a good veteran but still young. Perfect for a rebuilding team. And who knows maybe this is him finally "breaking out", I mean its happened before and he was a top 5 pick for a reason, the talent is certainly there.

I agree with all of this. Also there’s something to be said for a guy who can be an effective depth scorer and can also slide up the lineup if needed and be effective. He’s kind of like a more skilled Fast in that sense. Plus he can play center and wing.

If they can sign him to a decent contract (4x4 sounds good to me) then I would keep him. 4m AAV for a youngish veteran 3rw who can also play center and also slide up and down the lineup and play all situations is pretty good. Plus it’d be his prime years.

 

[kovazub94]

I was speaking about arbitration specifically for that number. On a 1 year deal via an arbitrator, if he continues to be productive this year it will be easy to find comparable and make a case for 5 million+ in arbitration

That will be his side’s argument. Rangers will paint a complete different picture taking into account his performance before this season and arguing that Strome is benefiting from getting points off Panarin.

 

[True Blue]

If they can sign him to a decent contract (4x4 sounds good to me) then I would keep him. 4m AAV for a youngish veteran 3rw who can also play center and also slide up and down the lineup and play all situations is pretty good. Plus it’d be his prime years.

Add on to that the fact that he is a player that the younger players can lean on and go to. He was a high pick with high expectations. His career did not go where he thought it would. He changed his game and is seemingly changing the trajectory of said career. I think that a player like that on a team like this is an excellent thing.

 

[Ola]

I agree with all of this. Also there’s something to be said for a guy who can be an effective depth scorer and can also slide up the lineup if needed and be effective. He’s kind of like a more skilled Fast in that sense. Plus he can play center and wing.

If they can sign him to a decent contract (4x4 sounds good to me) then I would keep him. 4m AAV for a youngish veteran 3rw who can also play center and also slide up and down the lineup and play all situations is pretty good. Plus it’d be his prime years.

Maybe it was answered above, but are you guys still talking about resigning Brendan Smith?

 

[haohmaru]

Hope Strome keeps it up and we sell high at the deadline. No interest in a deal. None.

 

[Ola]

P. 4 of the new thread. What latest hot takes have I missed?

Everyone are discussing resigning Brendan Smith to a long-term deal. I think he has been OK on the 4th line, but not sure I buy that one.

 

[Ola]

Completely ignoring his shooting percentage the guy has 11 assists in 16 games, including 4 in his last 3. He also now has 49 points in 78 games as a Rangers.

That's a hell of a hot stretch.

Good, cash in on it. No matter what, since he has arbitration rights and is one year from becoming an UFA, he will get paid for what other players with similar stats have been paid recently.

In this cap world you can only contend if you have players signed to good contracts. What are the odds of Strome signing a a contract -- that he will outperform -- after the stats he is putting up now? Slim to none.

Should be a complete no-brainer to trade him, IMHO.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Hope Strome keeps it up and we sell high at the deadline. No interest in a deal. None.

so we trade Strome for another Ryan Gropp pick you would be happy with. once Gordie Clark is gone the scouting should improve. i rather trade Strome for a young player with upside, not a no future NHL talent or a maybe. rather trade Strome for someone already in the AHL would be better or close to an NHL regular.

 

[True Blue]

Everyone are discussing resigning Brendan Smith to a long-term deal. I think he has been OK on the 4th line, but not sure I buy that one.

If Smith was a $1.5m player on the 4th line, I would take that to the bank and run. Heck, even at $1.75.

 

[RangerBoy]

If we listened to RB and bought Strome out during the summer, we wouldn't be having this dilemma right now.

Gorts Failed Again!

Strome is the luckiest player in the world. He is shooting over 20% again. 20.8%. He never came close to those numbers during his career before last season. The guy should play the lottery. He has 5 goals. 24 shots. His shooting % with the Rangers as 22.5% last season. His CF % is 41.24 Strome is the epitome of the Rangers. So opportunistic. The Rangers are the worst puck possession team in the NHL. The Rangers are amongst the worst teams in shot suppression and shot generation. Somehow the Rangers are 7-6-2. Their goaltending is terrific and they are very opportunistic. You can use the word luck too.

The Rangers get crushed and they win games. That is going to catch up with the Rangers.



Strome was a cheaper buyout than Shattenkirk at 1/3. The Rangers needed to clear money and Strome was the cheapest buyout on the roster. They have a huge cap hit next season with Shattenkirk.

What's the rush with paying Strome? He is not a group III. He is eligible for arbitration in the summer. Give him a one year contract and he becomes a group III in 2021. The Rangers don't have to trade him either. Unless the Rangers are afraid of the arbitration case and they want to get rid of him when his value is high. The other team will be leery of the potential arbitration case too. They will trade for Strome and not qualify him in the summer.

The Rangers are asking for trouble if they give Strome a long term contract. The Rangers usually get themselves into trouble with their contracts. So why not one more. These contracts are Gorton's achilles heel like the Shattenkirk contract and the Smith contract.

I'm flattered you spend your days thinking about me.

 

[haohmaru]

so we trade Strome for another Ryan Gropp pick you would be happy with. once Gordie Clark is gone the scouting should improve. i rather trade Strome for a young player with upside, not a no future NHL talent or a maybe. rather trade Strome for someone already in the AHL would be better or close to an NHL regular.

I never said a thing about what we’re getting for him at the deadline so color me a little puzzled at this rant.

 

[True Blue]

Good, cash in on it. No matter what, since he has arbitration rights and is one year from becoming an UFA, he will get paid for what other players with similar stats have been paid recently.

You are completely ignoring the fact that he may well use his new-found comfort level and give the Rangers a team friendly deal ($4m).

I am not saying he is untradeable, but he has done enough (SO FAR) to warrant a discussion in the family photo. And if he continues, the discussion may go from just a discussion to making room for him.

But it a long year and anything can happen. Let's see how he continues to perform. Let's see what possible offers can come for the guy.

 

[Ola]

No, it's a great and accurate description of Strome.

He doesn't do really do many "wow" moves, but a lot of simple good stuff. He's been better in the offensive end than I thought, but nothing AMAZING.

He is actually not good defensively

He's not winning any races to the puck often.

The most of the time you only know he's in on a scoring play because Sam and Joe mention that he's getting an assist/goal on it.

Couldn't agree more!!! (feels like we mostly have disagreed lately )

Like, I am not trashing Strome. He is perfectly ok. But for me it simply comes down to this. If you want to contend, will Strome be a guy that can win a match-up against a center on line 1-3 on another contender? Nah, I think he best case might be one of those centers who puts up decent stats on a half-crappy team.

 

[Leetch3]

Strome is the luckiest player in the world. He is shooting over 20% again. 20.8%. He never came close to those numbers during his career before last season. The guy should play the lottery. He has 5 goals. 24 shots. His shooting % with the Rangers as 22.5% last season. His CF % is 41.24 Strome is the epitome of the Rangers. So opportunistic. The Rangers are the worst puck possession team in the NHL. The Rangers are amongst the worst teams in shot suppression and shot generation. Somehow the Rangers are 7-6-2. Their goaltending is terrific and they are very opportunistic. You can use the word luck too.

Ryan Strome is on pace for 60 assists...I assume that I should also discredit that because of his shooting %.

 

[True Blue]

Strome is the luckiest player in the world. He is shooting over 20% again. 20.8%. He never came close to those numbers during his career before last season. The guy should play the lottery. He has 5 goals. 24 shots. His shooting % with the Rangers as 22.5% last season. His CF % is 41.24 Strome is the epitome of the Rangers. So opportunistic.

How do you explain his assists? Are you going to say that it is ALL Panarin? Is it Strome's fault that he made good passes that someone buried.

Ask yourself this, which playoff team would to sign on to have a 2nd line player who is a 15 goal, 35 assist player who can slide from wing to center and line to line seamlessly and not say a peep?

 

[Ola]

Ryan Strome is on pace for 60 assists...I assume that I should also discredit that because of his shooting %.

No, to Panarin.

 

[DanielBrassard]

so we trade Strome for another Ryan Gropp pick you would be happy with. once Gordie Clark is gone the scouting should improve. i rather trade Strome for a young player with upside, not a no future NHL talent or a maybe. rather trade Strome for someone already in the AHL would be better or close to an NHL regular.

I'd rather trade Strome for a Gropp than get stuck with a bad contract. If the 5 yr, 25M type deal becomes reality.

 

[RangersFan1994]

I'd rather trade Strome for a Gropp than get stuck with a bad contract. If the 5 yr, 25M type deal becomes reality.

umm no one complained when Brassard was signed and then shipped out years later. sign him and trade him down the road. it is not like he is 33 and won't have value.

 

[Edge]

He makes 4m now. This thread is full of mixed opinions - some saying be conservative, but plenty saying go 5/6 years, go 5m, etc. Not sure why you're responding with a snide remark unless you've got half this thread hidden and didn't just see loads of posts willing to pay him those type of numbers.

I'm not speaking to the people saying they'd only offer him a 4/10 or 4/15 or whatever deal. I'm surprised at people being so willing to give him larger deals. Both because of Strome's resume, but more because overall the capologist voice was so loud in the offseason and has seem to fade a bit.

He's making $3.1/$3.2 million, a $4 million salary would be an approximate 20 percent raise to him.

And my comments are pretty straight forward - it doesn't need to be an automatic trade, or a 5x5 deal.

 

[Fitzy]

Agreed with most of RB's take.

However, I'd rather just move Strome at this deadline. Being RFA status will increase his value to the acquiring team.

Lots of good playoff teams are going to be looking for a 2C/3C. Strome has a right handed shot which is a plus.

100% against extending the guy. I'm super thrilled that he is playing well, but he is not the kind of guy you make a big commitment to. We have a lot of young players whose salaries will rise- I don't want to have to unnecessarily deal a young player because we committed money to Ryan Strome. Chytil looks on the verge of being ready.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Shatttenkirk was the casualty because we had a logjam on right d, not just cap issues. Strome fills a real hole. Not sure how this is an issue of contention with anyone with the benefits if hindsight. Having a view in the summer is one thing, but doubling down on this now is strange.

 

[True Blue]

Ryan Strome is on pace for 60 assists...I assume that I should also discredit that because of his shooting %.

That is only one factor that is going to discredit it. Another is the fact that someone had the audacity to actually put the passes into the net. I mean had they simply missed, then he would not have had the abnormal assist amounts. Clearly all is a creation of metrics and superior players.

 

[True Blue]

He's making $3.1/$3.2 million, a $4 million salary would be an approximate 20 percent raise to him.

And my comments are pretty straight forward - it doesn't need to be an automatic trade, or a 5x5 deal.

Spot on. Like I said, at this juncture $4 x 4 is looking like smart business. Both for the franchise and him.

 

[True Blue]

100% against extending the guy. I'm super thrilled that he is playing well, but he is not the kind of guy you make a big commitment to. We have a lot of young players whose salaries will rise- I don't want to have to unnecessarily deal a young player because we committed money to Ryan Strome. Chytil looks on the verge of being ready.

Chytil has nothing to do with Strome.

At some point, one needs to assess what they truly have in hand.