Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XV
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I haven't gone back far enough but are the Rangers actually interested in Nylander or is this just all fan speculation?
DutchShamrock
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Speculation. The insiders say we are interested but not a front runner or matching well with our assets.
Most of the kreider/skjei talk was fueled by a Brooks article, which may have been fueled by talk here, if you know what I mean.
BBKers
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The Rangers have interest. Sure - but likely not the parts that They would have to part with. Carolina is the front runner. Maybe Minnesota too.
Fans and Brooks throwing it out there with his article in the post.
https://nypost.com/2018/11/17/deal-for-maple-leafs-forward-may-take-big-rangers-piece/
speculation.
They were/are interested, but they aren't a fit.
McKenzie: Nylander trade talks still in early stages
haohmaru
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I don't think the Rangers are really in the running.
That being said, because Bob McKenzie says "there isn't a fit", doesn't mean there isn't a fit. It's speculating - which is the same thing that Brooksie is doing.
Personally, not sure I pull the trigger on that Brooksie deal. Tough one.
I have no problem giving up Skjei for Nylander. Tough to add Kreider to it.
haohmaru
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Also, Carp @ the Athletic: "But Nylander, I’m hearing, is more likely to be re-signed by the Maple Leafs than traded as his deadline approaches … that a deadline is all that’s needed to force the two sides to finally agree on a contract."
I'm hoping Kreider has a Marchand like development, the first season Marchand passed the 60 pts mark was when he was 27.
That would help our rebuild a lot.
That would help our rebuild a lot.
Shouldn’t be trading Kreider period. Kreider has fallen into that “untouchable” category. Imo.
Jaromir Jagr
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I'm beginning to feel this way as well. More so because of the reported leadership role he has embraced this year. He seems to be one of those guys who thrives in that position and before this year, he was always still a kid to much of the team. Having watched Cally and McD really struggle with the captaincy here, especially when it came to showing emotion which NYC craves, I would be hesitant to give up a guy who seems to be a perfect match.
It's not just his on-ice play this year, but all these little things he's doing. I loved last night when he was so pumped and yelling at the fans after being awarded first star. I loved reading about his reaction to Quinn yelling at him in practice and I love that he gave a locker room speech after the dirty hit from Gryba.
He's not close to the player Messier was, but he has a little bit of that fire which sometimes reminds me of him and seems to work in NYC.
Lastly, the team collapsed last year when he went out and similar slumps occurred in previous seasons. It sometimes seems that Kreider is invisible, but he really is an engine that has made this team go the past few seasons.
Barring some crazy overpayment, I just wouldn't send him anywhere.
They can have Skjei.
TheBloodyNine
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No one on this rebuilding team is untouchable for the right price. As it should be.
DutchShamrock
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Let's not fall into the trap of overvaluing our players. I love Kreider and am in awe of his tools, but we are talking about a player that eclipsed 50 points once (53).
No problem rooting for the home team and having connections to players. But if we label 50 point players untouchable, we are going to find ourselves coming up short acquiring assets. Then 27 year old Kreider is 33 and we are still rebuilding.
This is by no means an endorsement to strip it bare and sell everyone off for the highest price. Certainly make the best value decision, even if that is keeping Kreider. But Kreider cannot be in an untouchable category.
If you are on the bottom of the league would agree, but they are not, and this team is not that bad to be on the bottom of the league. Right now they are a decent team hovering around a playoff spot. You don’t trade your best players for assets when you are on the fence of competiting or not.
This team is not in a full rebuild, where you gut them, and start from scratch. I think Kreider is one of those guys you keep for this partial rebuild.
It’s a little too early, have to see where they stand in Jan/Feb, if they are still in a playoff spot by then, well have to assume they will be more buyers than sellers at deadline or make lateral moves to better their current roster.
TheBloodyNine
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They gave up over 40 shots to the Panthers last night and they do that with regularity. They have a negative goal differential. this team is not good, and they were in the same place last year as they are this year. Might not be bottom 5 but they are going to be bad and miss the playoffs. They will not be buyers at the deadline, period.
Inferno
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Skjei and kreider for nylander would be awful for the rangers.
I'd do either plus a bit...but both? Awful.
It's all about asset management. Rangers could get a lot more for each guy separately.
I'd do either plus a bit...but both? Awful.
It's all about asset management. Rangers could get a lot more for each guy separately.
DutchShamrock
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Acquiring nylander is not starting from scratch. He would arguably be our best skater at 22.
You'd be trading our best skater if you do the deal above though.
Yes theres a significant age gap, but there would also be a pretty significant salary gap as well and we would be opening up a hole on the left side (where we are deep, but not immediately deep.)
I like Nylander, but only if the Rangers were able to get him on their terms. Seeing as how they aren't a natural fit (asset wise), they'd be forced to overpay in order to get around that.
Skjei+Kreider would be an overpayment.
Inferno
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I would do skjei plus vesey or something along those lines
Ghost of jas
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The bottom of the Eastern Conference is Pittsburgh with 17 points, a team who's played 2 less games than the Rangers. The Rangers are closer to the bottom of the conference than they are to the top. However, I pretty much agree with you on Kreider. he may not be untouchable, but, he's damn near close. Not only is he producing at a high level, but he's emerged as a leader, and continues to have a positive impact on the younger players, such as his play with Chytil last night. If he keeps this up, I expect him to re-up with the Rangers, and eventually be named captain.
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DutchShamrock
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Those are all fair points. I don't fault this logic, I was taking contention with the untouchable tag and the idea that Nylander is merely an asset or on par with starting over. I still think Nylander is undervalued and if he got Marner's pp time Nylander would have been a point per game player last year. Marner had more time last year than Nylander did in 2 seasons or something along those lines. And Nyalnder is near the top of the league in pp points/60 min.
But now that you mention it, we would he in bad shape on the left for the sake of adding Nylander to Kravtsov. And Panarin is looming. I'm a Kreider fan. He's finally taking that step I've been waiting for. I'm just cautious about a 20 game sample from a 27 year old that hit 50 points once. He could fall off for a month and return to the same guy.
This is true, but he's been doing this since he came back from his injury last year.
that 20 game sample is more like a 40 game sample. Still not enough to make a determination one way or the other but hes been beasting for a bit.
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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Been on the “keep Kreider and Zibanejad long term” train, don’t think I’ll be changing my mind any time soon. These are guys who can be major parts of contending teams moving forward, and are currently our two biggest leaders.
Also Kreider would look absolutely disgusting in anything but a Ranger jersey tbh. It’d be blasphemous.
Also Kreider would look absolutely disgusting in anything but a Ranger jersey tbh. It’d be blasphemous.
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