I've never been so excited for a draft in my lifewe're in a really good position
I remember the Brendl/Lundmark draft so well. Like getting Svech and Boqvist in this draft, with both busting. It still hurts...
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I remember the Brendl/Lundmark draft so well. Like getting Svech and Boqvist in this draft, with both busting. It still hurts...
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Twenty f*ckin years
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That draft ended up being terrible, but I think people should consider that the Rangers weren’t exactly developing talent in that period - those teams were sad, depressing, and meaningless, really. Not a place where a guy like Brendl would even have a chance to have figured it out, that’s for sure.
I don’t quite follow!
Is the Ferrari supposed to pull the Titanic on dry land? Does the Ferrari like stand on a peer while the Titanic is in the water?
mrhockey193195
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Good point. Lundmark was about as close to a "can't-miss" prospect you'll ever find. The fact that he barely fashioned out an NHL career...were all the scouts just wrong? Or was it the Rangers development system? I'm leaning on the latter. It's not even like we rushed him, we were actually patient and he still flopped.
That’s what I’m saying. I’m all for a rebuild and compiling assets. Karlsson and Panarin are both still in their primes and ELITE talent. What’s the issue. Lets get em both. Trade every current roster player if need be
I agree for sure.
At the same time — there are absolutely no guarantees whatsoever. If we just look back the last 10 years, there are so many mega busts in the top 10. From horrible first overall picks to concequtive picks busting in the top 10.
It’s he cold hard truth. Our expectations on whomever we pick should be set after it.
Boo hoo poor Shatty
This is a business
We signed him hoping to be better
We were a lot worse
R we not suppose to change directions because of one or two players??
The priority is what's best for the team
I think future UFAs would understand the circumstances
Hopefully they trade shat's butt too at the TDL
pld459666
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As we discuss the merits of taking an elite player drafted 15th overall.
Smh
pld459666
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After the Senators performed a, “fumblerooski”, of sorts in the last day, I feel with confidence that Gorton is not going to be able to give away any of his prime time pieces. One can hope, anyway. If Gorton pulls this off, this may be as legendary as Gomez for McDonagh.
But I am really not expecting us to trade at all for him.
But I am really not expecting us to trade at all for him.
Guys check out diebytheblade.com as they project us trading the 26th overall (Sandin), Skjei, Names for Karlsson, Ryan and a 2019 second round pick (which could be very high) if ottawa sucks next year and Bobby Ryan.
How would that impact our cap situation? It seems like taking on all these big money guys will impact our ability to sign our RFA's
How would that impact our cap situation? It seems like taking on all these big money guys will impact our ability to sign our RFA's
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The only way I see a Karlsxon move is if we are taking Ryan as well, there are not many teams that can (and of those that can, are actually willing to as well) accommodate that.
You almost have to work backwards to hypothesize how is could end up as the Rangers being "front runners" to land him.
Assume the following is true:
Ottawa brass knows for sure that they cannot re-sign Karlsson.
Ottawa GM is told that he needs to trade him for max value - but a condition is given to him that Bobby Ryan must also be moved as well.
A further condition is put that Ottawa GM is told not to trade Karlsson within the division by any means.
Bobby Ryan and Erik Karlsson BOTH have 10 team No-Trade-Lists in their contracts that must be honored - assume that they are smart and list Western Conference teams (since they know that they won't be traded in division and don't want to go out West for whatever reason).
So now, work backwards. Eliminate Ottawa's division. Then eliminate at least 10 (10-20 depending on overlap) teams in the Western Conference and maybe some Eastern ones too. Then eliminate all teams that can't afford both Karlsson + Ryan in cap space alone.
Starting to look real narrow. You have a handful of teams left after that. And if you are GM and under pressure, bad moves can be made.
Maybe the Rangers just offer what is the best deal available of those few remaining teams that even have a chance to make an offer for Karlsson + Ryan.
You almost have to work backwards to hypothesize how is could end up as the Rangers being "front runners" to land him.
Assume the following is true:
Ottawa brass knows for sure that they cannot re-sign Karlsson.
Ottawa GM is told that he needs to trade him for max value - but a condition is given to him that Bobby Ryan must also be moved as well.
A further condition is put that Ottawa GM is told not to trade Karlsson within the division by any means.
Bobby Ryan and Erik Karlsson BOTH have 10 team No-Trade-Lists in their contracts that must be honored - assume that they are smart and list Western Conference teams (since they know that they won't be traded in division and don't want to go out West for whatever reason).
So now, work backwards. Eliminate Ottawa's division. Then eliminate at least 10 (10-20 depending on overlap) teams in the Western Conference and maybe some Eastern ones too. Then eliminate all teams that can't afford both Karlsson + Ryan in cap space alone.
Starting to look real narrow. You have a handful of teams left after that. And if you are GM and under pressure, bad moves can be made.
Maybe the Rangers just offer what is the best deal available of those few remaining teams that even have a chance to make an offer for Karlsson + Ryan.
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This coming season we'd be fine as Karlsson only has a caphit of $6.5m, from 19-20 onwards you'd have to make some other roster moves to accommodate and probably not bring back Spooner. Zucc hitting FA would free up some space assuming you had an entry level contract coming in as a replacement, but Buch, Pionk and ADA would all be looking for raises at the same time.
It's certainly doable if Gorts was able to weave some magic and make some combination of Shattenkirk, Staal and Smith disappear, although you'd still need replacement players...
broadwayblue
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The issue is that they are in their primes now. Why pay top dollar for guys when we will be wasting a couple years of their peak performance? Why is everyone so impatient? Let's get the core in place and ready to contribute before we bring in the pricey UFAs. At least wait a single year so we can actually call it a rebuild.
cd211
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not a big deal if we're going with our "Youth movement" as anderson, chytil, howden, hejak lindgren are all on ELCs for next 3 years.. only players we need to worry about is Buchnevich and Kreider.. we dont have to worry about ryans detail until the final year.. karlson will be easy to resign..
3 years shattenkirk, lundqivst, staal, smith contracts are all up= if its skjei names and 26oa pick thats an easy decision to make that trade. karlson is still 28 still young
Between Ryan, EK and Hank that will be what 30 million dollars annually after EK gets his 11-12 million per deal? Just saying. We better have some supporting cast without having to put pressure on 20 year old guys like Lias and Chytil to carry some serious weight.
There are projections on this thread that are more reliable, and that’s not saying much.
TheBloodyNine
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I don't know why people are worried about not rebuilding with EK on the roster. His team's have been pretty bad!
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