Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XV: Trading up or down? - Mod Warning post #450

[Mac n Gs]

Personally, I like a Patches / ROR swap more for the Habs than the Sabres. Patches might be a guy who takes his shot in free agency if he has a bounce-back season. Which I believe he will.

ROR is a very underrated player.

Agreed, and he's been stuck in a miserable situation in Buffalo playing with some crappy linemates. Who's been his best consistent linemate these past few years? Okposo or Reinhart?

 

[Fvital92]

I love ROR, but he's the ultimate number two center in my book.

I can't help but feel that putting slotting him into a first line role is not going to produce the results Montreal hopes for, or play to his strengths.

Meanwhile in Buffalo, you're talking about someone like Zadina joining Eichel, Dahlin, and potentially Mittelstadt.

Unless of course the deal grows and you're talking about something like ROR and the 3rd pick for ROR and Ristolainen.

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Even Buffalo can't mess up with that core, Montreal could seal Buffalo as the Penguins 2.0.
That would be awful.

 

[Inferno]

R.o.r. is Derek stepan with hair. That's an awful trade for Montreal patches is a consistent 30 goal guy...I wouldn't do a 1 for 1 like that...no...friggin...way

 

[Doctyl]

R.o.r. is Derek stepan with hair. That's an awful trade for Montreal patches is a consistent 30 goal guy...I wouldn't do a 1 for 1 like that...no...friggin...way

Seems to be Bergevin’s MO lately

 

[GregSirico]

Rangers listed as a potential match for Ottawa and Erik Karlsson

 

[NYR Viper]

R.o.r. is Derek stepan with hair. That's an awful trade for Montreal patches is a consistent 30 goal guy...I wouldn't do a 1 for 1 like that...no...friggin...way

But Patches only has 1 year left.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I mean, if they can get Karlsson for the #28, Names, Gilmour and a second while taking back Gaborik or MacArthur I'd be game.

Gaborik has 3 years left at $4.88 AAV. MacArthur has 2 years left $4.65 AAV. MacArthur would be LTIR.

 

[Mac n Gs]

If that's all it takes to get Erik freakin Karlsson, then someone call the NHL registry before an angry Ottawa mob forces Dorion to cancel the deal.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

John Gilmour kind of skates like Erik Karlsson, maybe they can create a new sport without pucks or sticks

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If that's all it takes to get Erik freakin Karlsson, then someone call the NHL registry before an angry Ottawa mob forces Dorion to cancel the deal.

Yeah honestly I’d take MacArthur and Gaborik if that’s all it took

 

[DanielBrassard]

Yeah honestly I’d take MacArthur and Gaborik if that’s all it took

Same. Gaborik would probably end up on LTIR soon anyway, so the cap wouldn't be a huge problem.

 

[E-Train]

I mean, if they can get Karlsson for the #28, Names, Gilmour and a second while taking back Gaborik or MacArthur I'd be game.

Gaborik has 3 years left at $4.88 AAV. MacArthur has 2 years left $4.65 AAV. MacArthur would be LTIR.

Looks a lot like the Aroldis Chapman deal. Gorts can flip him for Gleyber at the deadline and sign him back next July.

 

[Inferno]

Rangers trade 26 namestnikov spooner gilmour and vesey for ek65 Gabby and MacArthur

Rangers trade ek65 to the knights for 2019 first and 2 of glass Suzuki or brannstrom

 

[nyrage]

R.o.r. is Derek stepan with hair. That's an awful trade for Montreal patches is a consistent 30 goal guy...I wouldn't do a 1 for 1 like that...no...friggin...way

Stepan is a good ballpark comparison, but ROR is a notch better offensively. Both consistent, but comparing the past 5 years, ROR scores about 5 more points per season (55-64 pts per season)

MP trended down late in the season 2 years ago and had a horrible playoffs.
Then last year he had 17 goals (21 if you pro-rate it for a full season) and 37 points. It could just be an off-year or a scary trend downward. I think he's a couple of years older than ROR, too.

ROR plays a more important position. It's definitely a fair trade and arguably a better deal for Montreal imo (excluding a discussion of contract which is another story).

 

[LaffyTaffy]

For what its worth theres usually few trades on the day of the awards. There could be some trades ready to blow in the morning. Also on ROR, I think it was Lebrun who recently said that most teams don't want to trade for ROR until after July 1st to avoid paying him his gargantuan bonus. MTL is the only team that doesn't really care and would be down to pay it. Hence why the 3OA rumor is still around.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I agree that ROR is better than Stepan, but the gap isn't as wide as you think

 

[haveandare]

I mean, if they can get Karlsson for the #28, Names, Gilmour and a second while taking back Gaborik or MacArthur I'd be game.

Gaborik has 3 years left at $4.88 AAV. MacArthur has 2 years left $4.65 AAV. MacArthur would be LTIR.

I'd be literally jumping and down with excitement. I'm not into the idea of trading for Karlsson overall but that would be an insane steal and wouldn't set the rebuild back in any significant way.

 

[broadwayblue]

I'd be literally jumping and down with excitement. I'm not into the idea of trading for Karlsson overall but that would be an insane steal and wouldn't set the rebuild back in any significant way.

I would imagine they could get a better return from many other teams.

 

[haveandare]

I would imagine they could get a better return from many other teams.

Yeah, hence my jumping up and down if that somehow happened.

 

[NYR]

If JG has showed us anything, trades aren't going down until just before he's about to hit the podium..

 

[DutchShamrock]

Rangers listed as a potential match for Ottawa and Erik Karlsson

According to dark-web dorion's Twitter, Macarthur's contract is covered by insurance. So cap hit with minimal cash. Clarke won't be packaging his bags. Gaborik is owed less than his cap, so he is probably not a target to move as well.

 

[broadwayblue]

Yeah, hence my jumping up and down if that somehow happened.

I'm anti trading for him...but I would admit it would be hard to be angry about that deal. I would only hope he is still playing at an elite level 3 to 5 years from now when we are contending again.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Rangers trade 26 namestnikov spooner gilmour and vesey for ek65 Gabby and MacArthur

Rangers trade ek65 to the knights for 2019 first and 2 of glass Suzuki or brannstrom

So we give up 5 pieces for 2 cap dumps, a late first and 2 prospects? Nah.

 

[nyrage]

Uncle Larry's latest article. Not as good as the last one.

https://nypost.com/2018/06/20/rangers-pursuing-deals-as-nhl-draft-nears/

Rangers are seeking trades.
They haven't discussed a deal with Nam's agent yet.
Boqvist doesn't appear to be a target.

 

[GregSirico]

Uncle Larry's latest article. Not as good as the last one.

https://nypost.com/2018/06/20/rangers-pursuing-deals-as-nhl-draft-nears/

Rangers are seeking trades.
They haven't discussed a deal with Nam's agent yet.
Boqvist doesn't appear to be a target.

Looks like we are high on Wahlstrom, Hughes, and Kotkaniemi .... which is exciting.