Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XV: Trading up or down? - Mod Warning post #450

[HatTrick Swayze]

Can we not post obviously bad sources in the immediate days before the draft? All of those insiderrr accounts and random people with fewer than 100 followers aren’t credible sources

Wish I could like this 10x

 

[Irishguy42]

Glass might be the only untouchable in the Knights' organization.

Tanner, naturally

 

[cheech70]

Just remembered hasn't Slats been trying to get Ryan for like 10 years?

 

[cheech70]

It would be hard to make me angry about acquiring a top 5 player in the league, but to spend all this time speculating on our pick at #9 just to trade it away would be a real annoyance.

The 9th pick will not be included in any EK deal. Its about the scarole

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Just remembered hasn't Slats been trying to get Ryan for like 10 years?

No, that's Joe Thornton

 

[Levitate]

no that's Keith Tkachuk

might as well draft his son instead

 

[Elliman]

As much as I want us to sign JT, trade for EK and ink Kovy...I feel we really need to dig in deep. Move some of our vets for more picks/kids and get through the next 2-3 seasons of tough but hopefully exciting youthful hockey with many growing pains and joys...

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

no that's Keith Tkachuk

might as well draft his son instead

So true...feel like this would play a bigger role than Quinn haha

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Can we not post obviously bad sources in the immediate days before the draft? All of those insiderrr accounts and random people with fewer than 100 followers aren’t credible sources

You mean @hockeyrumoursdoingyourmom69 isn’t an actual NHL insider?

 

[TheTakedown]

Also thinking about our RD if EK arrives
Shatty
EK
Pionk

Move Shatty

No, you rotate Deangelo and Pionk for the year, and see what you have.

 

[bl02]

I've never been so excited for a draft in my life we're in a really good position

Me too but all these pages on getting EK is putting the Kibosh on that. I'm in no mood at all to trade away Chytil, Skjei, Lias, any of these years first rounders except maybe 28 and Shesty. Or next years first!

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

No, you rotate Deangelo and Pionk for the year, and see what you have.

No. They did that already, and Pionk won. The spot is his to lose.

ADA may stick as the 7th D or he may line up as the 3rd RD, depending on who else they bring in, but barring injury or regression on Pionk's behalf, ADA isn't "rotating" with Pionk.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Regarding the EK deal, it would be a terrible idea to take him at fair value in a hockey trade. We'd be torpedoing our own rebuild to jumpstart Ottawa's.

But if you can leverage the checkbook to get him + Ryan for a relatively small package...? And then potentially flip him for full value...? That's a different story, and dependent on the details.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I'm down with Karlsson but if they get him, the whole rebuild thing was a bit fat lie

You're not trading for Karlsson to suck for a couple years

 

[Levitate]

I'm down with Karlsson but if they get him, the whole rebuild thing was a bit fat lie

You're not trading for Karlsson to suck for a couple years

I think most people didn't really expect Karlsson to go on the market. Depending on what it cost, he could greatly accelerate a rebuild. But the cost would probably be enough to put this team back to the point where when it'd be a legitimate contender, Karlsson would probably be declining

 

[LORDE]

I'm down with Karlsson but if they get him, the whole rebuild thing was a bit fat lie

You're not trading for Karlsson to suck for a couple years

True.

Ur trading for Karlsson to still be mediocre for a few more years.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think most people didn't really expect Karlsson to go on the market. Depending on what it cost, he could greatly accelerate a rebuild. But the cost would probably be enough to put this team back to the point where when it'd be a legitimate contender, Karlsson would probably be declining

Ehh I dunno about that.

I’m not worried about what he’ll look like in 5 years or what he’d cost salary wise. I am afraid of what he would cost in assets in a trade though.

Trading for him would be so short sided and dumb and like HS said, a total put asses in the seats and appease our aging goalie move. Trading for EK with the state that our team is in right now is not a move that good franchises make. In fact unless you get him for an incredibly low price, I’d lose all faith in Gorton.

Sadly when the word of Hayes becoming available broke out EK was the first player that came to mind. It goes against everything he said he was going to do a few months ago and they haven’t deviated from the plan yet so we’ll see what happens.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

no that's Keith Tkachuk

might as well draft his son instead

Don’t forget about Shane Doan, either.

 

[Levitate]

I dont' think there's even really news that Hayes is available, at least anymore so than he was when they first started this rebuild, it's just that he is one of the more desirable assets the Rangers have and teams are calling.

 

[Ola]

No, you rotate Deangelo and Pionk for the year, and see what you have.

Yeah, I can’t believe people prioritizing the rebuild over Shatty. He took fewer year to sign here, how will it look for future UFAs if we now prioritize the kids over a vet?

 

[Ola]

I don't have any interest in adding Karlsson as anything other than a UFA. He said he's not taking a hometown discount, and that he expects market value on his next contract. If you can get him for nothing but cash, that's an epic win. But, you know Ottawa is going to be looking for a haul with everything going on with their franchise. Let some other team give it to them, then swoop in when he's a UFA and make your strongest pitch. He's going to be on the wrong side of 30 for most of his next contract, and it would be a disaster if we mortgaged the future on top of giving him a Scrooge McDuck-sized vault of money.

Would you resign with Ottawa if you were him? They really have no future.

 

[Ola]

Odds are the final numbers are holding up any deals? Bobby Mac added to it:

Wow, 80m cap with 1.2% inflator. The NHL did extremely well this last season. 100m cap within how long??

I am also a little bit bitter that the cap was flat when we were good, this benefits all good teams.

And, if you thought a UFA was a 5m player, will he get 7m per now? BTW, who the heck is advising someone like Cam Atkinson? He would easily get 7x7 on the market. So many teams would afford him, no players available to spend the cap space on. Prices go up.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Wow, 80m cap with 1.2% inflator. The NHL did extremely well this last season. 100m cap within how long??

Well, the cap in 2008 was ~50M. So it could theoretically get to 100 in about 7-8 years.

 

[Ola]

Well, the cap in 2008 was ~50M. So it could theoretically get to 100 in about 7-8 years.

4 years unless something major happen.

Over a very long time, underlying HRR is growing way over 5% per season. Despite a horrible financial climate. That gets us to 100m in 4 years.

Between 08’ and now you have the roll back of the player share from 57% to 50%. The financial crash held back the market way into 2011-2012.

The CDN/USD rate is at 0.75 now. It was over 1 like 10 years ago. It’s always fluctuating, currencies. The CDN isn’t going much lower than this, and it could easily go up towards 0.8-0,9. It will, currencies goes up and down. That will push the gap upwards too.

The scenario were the cap goes to 100m within three years is definitely not ridiculous, albeit maybe not likely.

 

[bobbop]

I find this whole Karlsson trade theory a little way out but...

1. Everyone here wants elite talent...and
2.Karlsson (and for that matter Panarin) are elite talent.

That is all.