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Assuming Karlsson signs with the team that wouldn't be a bad deal. Taking Ryan's contract along with a Karlsson extension would make it difficult in 2019-2020


Here's a question, if it was pretty much known the Rangers would be taking on either Lucic or Ryan (can't answer no to both), who would people prefer?
 
NYR Viper said:
Assuming Karlsson signs with the team that wouldn't be a bad deal. Taking Ryan's contract along with a Karlsson extension would make it difficult in 2019-2020


Here's a question, if it was pretty much known the Rangers would be taking on either Lucic or Ryan (can't answer no to both), who would people prefer?
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Ryan
 
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NYR Viper said:
Assuming Karlsson signs with the team that wouldn't be a bad deal. Taking Ryan's contract along with a Karlsson extension would make it difficult in 2019-2020


Here's a question, if it was pretty much known the Rangers would be taking on either Lucic or Ryan (can't answer no to both), who would people prefer?
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Ryan.

Ryan's contract is bad. Lucic's is horrible.
 
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NYR Viper said:
Assuming Karlsson signs with the team that wouldn't be a bad deal. Taking Ryan's contract along with a Karlsson extension would make it difficult in 2019-2020


Here's a question, if it was pretty much known the Rangers would be taking on either Lucic or Ryan (can't answer no to both), who would people prefer?
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I would take Ryan - Higher cap hit but one year shorter contract. Has been injured the past couple years with upper body issues. Maybe he is over them and can pot 25-30 in one of the remaining 4 years of his contract.
 
Rangers in 7 said:
I’m not against it, value wise that’s a huge win for us. That 2019 2nd is going to be between 32-36
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You should be. That would turn out really poorly for the Rangers. Value doesn't exist in a vacuum. Ryan is 31 and has 4 years left @ 7.5 mil. Karlsson has 1 year left @ 6.5 and then will get a new deal in the 7-8 year, 11-12 mil per year range. That's nearly 1/4 of our cap space spent on 2 players and our defense would still be a mess outside of Karlsson.

Karlsson is not the answer. People think we are going to acquire him and he's going to magically turn us into a cup contender. He won't. As good as he is, he isn't going to be worth the contract he will get.
 
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GAGLine said:
You should be. That would turn out really poorly for the Rangers. Value doesn't exist in a vacuum. Ryan is 31 and has 4 years left @ 7.5 mil. Karlsson has 1 year left @ 6.5 and then will get a new deal in the 7-8 year, 11-12 mil per year range. That's nearly 1/4 of our cap space spent on 2 players and our defense would still be a mess outside of Karlsson.

Karlsson is not the answer. People think we are going to acquire him and he's going to magically turn us into a cup contender. He won't. As good as he is, he isn't going to be worth the contract he will get.
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We were asked if I would trade skjei, names, and 26 for a package that included karlsson, Ryan and a 2019 2nd. That second will be less then 10 picks away. Value wise I’d do that trade
 
Rangers in 7 said:
We were asked if I would trade skjei, names, and 26 for a package that included karlsson, Ryan and a 2019 2nd. That second will be less then 10 picks away. Value wise I’d do that trade
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You'd be taking on a whole lot of $$$.
 
Every trade or free agent signing has risk. If a player wants to test free agency then you know he will be looking to recieve the most amount of money offered, or maybe wants to do what shatty did ... But EK has already expressed his desire to test market for $$.

Reading the last few pages and its like a circle of discussion going around and around. First its we need to acquire Elite talent.. then we need to acquire more draft picks ... then we should trade for prospects that are ready to play a full NHL season. They are all correct , You need a combination of all of these things for this REBUILD to work.

At the end of the day if you have an opportunity to acquire ELITE players you make the move. JT or EK are elite players and it makes all the difference for you hockey team when you have at least one of these players. Especially when it appears Ottawa is giving players away for free.

We are The New York Rangers ... I can't see us taking bad contracts like Lucic . If this was arizona etc I could see us doing that.
 
RangerBoy said:
$78M-$82M were the projections. The players hate escrow. The Canadian dollar is slumping again. Escrow wasn't bad this season. You never know about this coming season. Trump's tariffs on Canada.
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Using the full 5% cap escalator is always a touchy issue with the players. Players with existing contracts (the majority of the PA) want the cap to go up as little as possible to reduce escrow (the portion of their paycheck that is withheld to ensure that when actual HRR (Hockey-related revenue) is calculated, a 50/50 balance between owners and players can be achieved). When the cap rises out of sync with actual HRR, it dilutes the player's contracts by having less of their escrow withholdings returned to them.

On the other hand, if the cap stagnates, it screws free agents, because teams have less to spend that offseason.
 
Regarding lucic vs ryan...it depends on what we're sending back or if any of the deal is being eaten...if it's the same deal and nothing being taken back then I'd take back whichever has the better buyout calculation
 
Am I the only one that feels the Rangers don't even have that much Cap space. I get as of right now we are looking at 30M, but thats with none of the RFAs signed. Plus we still need to add players to roster and you know the Rangers are gonna make a few Free agent signings (Grabner, Nash ? )
 
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Am I the only one that feels the Rangers don't even have that much Cap space. I get as of right now we are looking at 30M, but thats with none of the RFAs signed. Plus we still need to add players to roster and you know the Rangers are gonna make a few Free agent signings (Grabner, Nash ? )
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I think they can safely fit one big contract in still. Presumably that player would also be one less roster spot to fill.

They can take on another if any combo of spooner, namestnikov, hayes, etc gets traded.

Personally I would only take one though.
 
We've been hamstrung with the Staal and Girardi contracts plus some big contracts like Nash and even my beloved Henrik. The last thing I want is to take additional dead weight, especially if it's long term.

I can understand if it's for a year. Two is pushing it, but we shouldn't consider anything longer than that.
No additional pick is worth our freedom.
 
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NYR Viper said:
Fireable for the owner? It's very possible the owner is mandating they keep it as their fans may not show up (literally) all season if they view this season as a tank-a-thon. Based on what I know of Melnyk, I bet they keep it
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Fireable for whoever makes the decision. Melnyk just said he's OK playing with a cap floor team, he knows they'll be bad.
 
Dr Chin Richalds said:
Remember, this is assuming they finish 31st overall. Not exactly a given

So assuming the Senators have the best possible odds they can have to get 1OA, they will only have about a 1/5 chance to get Jack Hughes, and about a 50% chance to have the same pick they do this year.

The Senators will MOST LIKELY have an even, or worse pick next year than they do this year. The 2019 draft looks good, but thats a year away. A lot can happen in a year. The 2018 draft looks just as good.

Why would you bet on the least likely outcome?
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Sens will be a bottom 3 team next year if they trade EK65 (which they should)… 2019 draft is center deavy, and it's deep at the top, both things that is very good for an early rebuild. Their most likely picks at 4 from the reports are Tkachuk, Dobson or Zadina… I Think you can get a player that's better (or atleast fits the rebuild better as in a C) in the top 7-8 next year, so don't put the cutoff at 4.

It would be crazy to go into a season with a horrific team that you plan to keep just over the cap floor and a horrible goalie tandem (both signed) without having your own 1st round pick, especially when the top prospect is a franchise C.
 
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