Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XV: Trading up or down? - Mod Warning post #450

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Regarding Zucc, would it be reasonable to think that dealing him at the draft, at 50% retained, should return at the least what Nash got at the deadline?

‘19 1st + top level prospect + young roster player/mid-tier prospect/3rd RD pick?
 
I doubt Beleskey has much value even with half of his salary retained. He is one of those players that fits more of the old NHL and less of the new that continues to evolve.
The point is, the high pick we got in the Nash deal wasn’t inflated (at least not substantially) by taking on Beleskey at 50%, nor was it by taking on Spooner, a pending RFA with good ability who can be flipped or just not QOd to get a compensatory pick. Certainly it wasn’t inflated by us taking on Lindgren. They just got suckered royally. Spooner would get us more than Grabner got us, but even what Grabner got us could be flipped for a low 1st. Low first for Spooner is not out of question, but IMO he’s worth more.
 
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I hope they give Beleskey every shot to carve out some type of role on this team. He’s on a contract year.

Imagine being able to flip him at the DL for even a 4th or 5th? Found money.
Beleskey has two more seasons on his current contract. But in his one game with us this season, he seemed pretty hungry. Also put up good numbers with Hartford.
 
Howden and Spooner for Domi

Silverfish could be right on Domi. I think the coach is telling Chyaka, listen things went sour here with Domi. We need to get things right in the locker room. Deal Domi. Tie is telling Max, listen son, you gave it your all but I can tell that you aren’t happy, don’t be afraid of failing on your first try, let me talk to your agent. Chyaka goes, wait let me think it through and disregards chemistry and atmosphere and due process for other factors. It was like that in EDM all those years too, we can’t deal X now because his value is at an all time low. They kept guys in a horrible environment. They ended up dealing Yaks and Eberle for like a borderline 4h lineer... ;)

overpayment
 
I hope they give Beleskey every shot to carve out some type of role on this team. He’s on a contract year.

Imagine being able to flip him at the DL for even a 4th or 5th? Found money.

Pretty sure two years left on it but regardless yes give him a shot . Rather he spare vs Holland
 
I would love it if we could get another top 10 pick and move up from one of them. Imagine walking away from this draft with Wahlstrom and Dobson? Oh baby.

Or Wahlstrom and Kotkaniemi.

FWIW, why has Wahlstrom gained so much popularity? I was gone for 2-3 weeks and it seems like everyone loves Wahlstrom now but we were cool on him before. Not that I’m complaining.
 
So at 9 we have Fara, Kotk, Bouch left on the board
The flyers really want one of these guys
They offer 14,19 for our 9 and 39
Take it??
 
He will definitely get more, but I don't think he's worth more
I think there's a debate. I wouldn't mind him being around with his style of play. I think he plays tough and battles. Not too many easy minutes for the other team when he is on the ice. So I would like him around while a new culture is built up.

By no means am I breaking the bank or overpaying, but he brings enough that lowballing isn't justified.
 
Not trading out of the top 10 unless an NHLer is included in the deal. Might not be worth that but we can't afford to give up on a top 10 player in this draft for nothing.
 
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Not trading out of the top 10 unless an NHLer is included in the deal. Might not be worth that but we can't afford to give up on a top 10 player in this draft for nothing.

Yeah, I wonder how good track teams have of each other’s lists. In some cases I recon GMs with a good relationship can exchange info. But in general I think teams want to keep things quite. With how thight this draft is, I think we have to be looking at someone generally believed to be around 25 to even be certain to get that kid at 15.
 
So at 9 we have Fara, Kotk, Bouch left on the board
The flyers really want one of these guys
They offer 14,19 for our 9 and 39
Take it??

Yeah, this I would do. Think some real good picks will be made in the 14-19 range. 5-10 isn’t super strong IMO, but there is not a big difference at all between say Wilde and Bouchard IMO. Guys like Bouchard and Dobson have only played at low junior levels, how flawless would Wilde look if he only played a full season in the OHL? I would definitely take like Wilde and Kravtsov over Bouchard plus a 2nd.
 
Not trading out of the top 10 unless an NHLer is included in the deal. Might not be worth that but we can't afford to give up on a top 10 player in this draft for nothing.
This is just an obscure cut off.

How much more valuable is the 31st overall pick last year and this year because now it's a "1st rounder"?
 
No. I am not trading down 5 spots without adding a pick. If it's a 2-for-2 trade, I will pass.

This is what’s up AK!

Especially since it’s Philthadelphia, you bet your a** they’d have to part with 14 & 19 for #9.

Quite a difference in talent on the board, no? The way you guys and everyone in hockey land speaks of those main 10 guys -Dahls, Svech, Zad, Tkachuck, Boqvist, Hughes,Dobson, bouch, kotk, Farabee - then the drop off/‘magical mystery tour’ begins, yeah?
 
This is what’s up AK!

Especially since it’s Philthadelphia, you bet your a** they’d have to part with 14 & 19 for #9.

Quite a difference in talent on the board, no? The way you guys and everyone in hockey land speaks of those main 10 guys -Dahls, Svech, Zad, Tkachuck, Boqvist, Hughes,Dobson, bouch, kotk, Farabee - then the drop off/‘magical mystery tour’ begins, yeah?

If the Rangers really like Farabee and Kravtsov and the draft unfolds such that it appears they could get both of those guys later, I’d trade down. The point could be made that:

Kotkaniemi or Bouchard alone << Farabee + Kravtsov
 
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